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Okay this is my first post on this site. I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport (Sport Blue).

 

I am having a problem with my car, from time to time my car fails to start. Once I turn the key the engine continues to turn over but fails to start. I have had this problem approximately 15 times. I took my car to the warranty service but they looked at me like I was crazy because they never heard of the problem before.

 

Can someone please tell me the TSB number for this issue? I have attempted to look it up with no luck.

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Okay this is my first post on this site. I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport (Sport Blue).

 

I am having a problem with my car, from time to time my car fails to start. Once I turn the key the engine continues to turn over but fails to start. I have had this problem approximately 15 times. I took my car to the warranty service but they looked at me like I was crazy because they never heard of the problem before.

 

Can someone please tell me the TSB number for this issue? I have attempted to look it up with no luck.

 

Hi Pete. :D Welcome to the Ford Fusion Forums.

 

Concerning a TSB, see your other post in the "Maintenance, Recalls and TSB (Technical Service Bulletins)" board.

 

Just as an FYI: In the future, please try to post questions on one board. Makes it easier for those trying to help you.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

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Your starting the car too fast, I do that every once in a while. Your not giving the fuel pump a chance to start. You know how you hear things turn on and start when you turn the key without out turning it all the way to start normally called "accessory". It turns on all sorts of things, one being the fuel pump, if you turn it too quick it doesnt have enough time to start the fuel pump so you get the car just trying to turn over because no gas is hitting the engine. I give it an extra second before I turn it sometimes.

 

 

 

 

 

I am having a problem with my car, from time to time my car fails to start. Once I turn the key the engine continues to turn over but fails to start. I have had this problem approximately 15 times. I took my car to the warranty service but they looked at me like I was crazy because they never heard of the problem before.

 

Can someone please tell me the TSB number for this issue? I have attempted to look it up with no luck.

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Your starting the car too fast, I do that every once in a while. Your not giving the fuel pump a chance to start. You know how you hear things turn on and start when you turn the key without out turning it all the way to start normally called "accessory". It turns on all sorts of things, one being the fuel pump, if you turn it too quick it doesnt have enough time to start the fuel pump so you get the car just trying to turn over because no gas is hitting the engine. I give it an extra second before I turn it sometimes.

 

 

 

 

 

I am having a problem with my car, from time to time my car fails to start. Once I turn the key the engine continues to turn over but fails to start. I have had this problem approximately 15 times. I took my car to the warranty service but they looked at me like I was crazy because they never heard of the problem before.

 

Can someone please tell me the TSB number for this issue? I have attempted to look it up with no luck.

 

 

 

Sorry, there is no such thing as "starting your car too fast." In fact, this car has has Ford One-Touch Intelligent Start. To start the car you only need to turn the key to 'Start' and let it go. The car does the rest. From the OM:

 

Turn the key to 4 (start), then

release the key as soon as the

engine begins cranking. Your vehicle

has a computer assisted cranking

system that assists in starting the

engine. After releasing the key from

the 4 (start) position, the engine may continue cranking for up to

10 seconds or until the vehicle starts.

Note: Cranking may be stopped at any time by turning the key to the off

position

 

So, are you saying the car starts itself too fast? It's not possible to turn the key so fast that the fuel pump doesn't have time to start. The flow of electricity in a wire is virtually instantaneous. It's 2011. The days of mechanical fuel pumps and carburetors when you had to pump the gas multiple times to start a car are gone . This is EFI. Even with the with the key off there is 35-40psi residual fuel pressure in the system at all times. Therefore the car will start immediately. Pull the fuse for your fuel pump. The car will still start and run for a few seconds, even with no power to the fuel pump. Did you ever hear of relieving the pressure in an EFI system before changing the fuel filter or doing other work involving fuel lines? What do you suppose is the reason for that?

 

My car has failed to start at the first turn of the key twice in 2 years and both time were in the same week. The OP apparently has a problem but it's intermittent, thus making it hard to diagnose. It has to happen when the dealer has the car.

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I'm having a similar issue, though mine has only done it twice. First time I shrugged it off but it did it bad yesterday and I don't have an explanation...wasn't parked on incline, wasn't low on gas, didn't just fill up either....going to the dealer soon for other things so I will bring it up. I'm sure the response will be "could not replicate issue!"

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I'm having a similar issue, though mine has only done it twice. First time I shrugged it off but it did it bad yesterday and I don't have an explanation...wasn't parked on incline, wasn't low on gas, didn't just fill up either....going to the dealer soon for other things so I will bring it up. I'm sure the response will be "could not replicate issue!"

My 2010 has also done this a few times. Turn the key and release it and it will crank but will never start. I just turn the key back to off and do it again. I would say it has happened 3-4 times in the 18 months I have had it so I would certainly say it is something that would be almost impossible to reproduce at the dealership.

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My 2010 has also done this a few times. Turn the key and release it and it will crank but will never start. I just turn the key back to off and do it again. I would say it has happened 3-4 times in the 18 months I have had it so I would certainly say it is something that would be almost impossible to reproduce at the dealership.

 

Is yours a Sport too?

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Is yours a Sport too?

Yes

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Similar issue with my 2006 Fusion V6 SE: I have begun to suspect some kind of hungup interlock switch for the transmission. If the switch which prevents a start unless the transmission is in Park is defective, or sticky, would the engine turnover, but not start?

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If the neutral safety switch is bad, then the engine wouldn't even crank. If the theft light is blinking, then you might have a problem with the PATS system.

 

If you're having starting problems the first thing I would check was the battery voltage and the fuel. Battery should be 12.6 volts or more and 87 octane is easier to start. Also, make sure you hear the fuel pump prime when you turn the key to ON without starting the car. If you don't hear the pump, then you might have a problem.

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Okay this is my first post on this site. I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport (Sport Blue).

 

I am having a problem with my car, from time to time my car fails to start. Once I turn the key the engine continues to turn over but fails to start. I have had this problem approximately 15 times. I took my car to the warranty service but they looked at me like I was crazy because they never heard of the problem before.

 

Can someone please tell me the TSB number for this issue? I have attempted to look it up with no luck.

 

This just happened to me, 5000 miles on mine. Anyone had this checked out yet or any tsb's for this starting problem.?

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My 2012 sport started that at 1600 miles. Dealer said overfilling a car could cause starting problems. I though that was bull and it was.After a few weeks back and forth to service and many check engine light laters with foul plugs they found the vapor management valve was not shutting. It was staying open. When I put gas in, it would not start. I'd have to try a few times and it would but it would barely go. Kinda like it had no gas and it struggled to go. After a few minutes it would go. Of course mine cause additional driving problems too but the part is only $40 approx so mabey check that too.

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Has anyone ever figured out what the problem was. I have had issues with this for the past year and a half and still have not got it fixed. Of course it is not giving any codes and the dealerships keep telling me to drive it until it gets worse. It hasn't. It's a 2010 sport.

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I purchased a 2010 Ford Fusion SEL V6 AWD about a month ago and one week after I bought it, I tried to start it one morning and it did nothing. The engine did not turn over, only the radio and lights came on. It was behaving as if the security system had been triggered. Thankfully the used car dealership I bought it from went out of their way to try and make it right. They brought it to a car repair shop... however, the problem could not be replicated after they reset the computer system. Eventually they had to bring it to an official Ford dealership so a Ford electronics technician could look at it. They too could not re-create the problem so they did what they thought would best fix the problem. They replaced the starter and relay. I drove the car for 2 weeks with no issues. But then on Tuesday (of this week), I tried starting my car and the same thing happened! I was obviously very frustrated but I called the dealership again and they arranged to have it towed. When I explained the problem to the tow truck guy, he tried starting the car in Park and nothing happened. But then he tried to start it in Neutral and it worked! He tried it several times and it would only start while in Neutral. SO... now the neutral safety switch is being replaced and the Ford dealership is making adjustments to the shift cable which works in conjuction with the neutral safety switch (or so I've been told). I'm getting my car back today so I'm praying this will fix the problem for good! And I really hope this can help someone else who is having the same problem. Try to see if your car will start in Neutral. If so, then maybe this is the answer to your problem too! Best wishes!

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The problem is not that it will not not crank. The engine will crank, just not start. It turns over for about 10 seconds and then the starter cuts off. After the starter cuts off, you can then (without turning the key back to off) try and start the car again and it will always start the second time you try and start the car. And to make things more complicated, sometimes while it is cranking, the motor acts as if it is trying to start but never actually fires.

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Have them check the ground strap - this was a known problem on some 2010 models. TSB 09-19-1.

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They have checked that. They have done all tsb's that are out on the car and also replaced the throttle body thinking that may fix the problem. It has the "flight recorder" on it now but of course while it is being watched it has only not started once. I am supposed to be taking it back to the dealership next week so they can hopefully get some information from the one time that it has not started.

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If it doesn't start after filling with gas, have them replace the canister purge valve.

 

If it does it at other times it's probably the ground strap issue. Otherwise I would make sure the battery is working well.

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It never does it after filling the car up with gas. The battery was just replaced a month ago after the original died at the dealership when they were putting the "fight recorder" on. They have checked the ground strap several times before. This has been going on for about a year and a half starting about six months after i bought the car.

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Try turning the ignition ON (but don't start) for a few seconds, then start. That gives the fuel pump time to build up pressure. If that fixes it then I'd say it's a bad fuel pump or something in the fuel line/filter.

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I have tried doing that also but it makes no difference.

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In that case I'm going back to the ground strap. You said they "checked that" - did they perform the repair per the TSB?

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The problem is not that it will not not crank. The engine will crank, just not start. It turns over for about 10 seconds and then the starter cuts off. After the starter cuts off, you can then (without turning the key back to off) try and start the car again and it will always start the second time you try and start the car. And to make things more complicated, sometimes while it is cranking, the motor acts as if it is trying to start but never actually fires.

 

This happened to me several times with my 2010 MKZ Sport and once with my 2012. I can't find the post right now but member Waldo explained this some time ago. I can't remember the details but this a random occurrence that is a characteristic of this engine. IIRC, it has something to do with the relative positions of the intake and exhaust valves when the engine is shut off. Perhaps Waldo will be good enough to explain this again.

 

Like yours, whenever this happened my car always started on the second try. So why do you care if it always starts on the second try? In the past 40+ years of car ownership I've never owned one that didn't occasionally fail to start on the first try. This includes cars with carburetors, TBI and EFI. I wouldn't even waste time taking it to the dealer.

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In that case I'm going back to the ground strap. You said they "checked that" - did they perform the repair per the TSB?

 

They said that they have done every tsb they can find for the issue. I have had it at three dealerships trying to figure out the problem often leaving them the car so that they can try and duplilcate the problem. The second dealership that I have taken it to multiple times said that they thought it could be the pcm but since they could not duplicate the problem there was nothing they could do. They basically told me to keep driving it until it got worse. Well, it still has not gotten worse which is why I now have the in-car "flight recorder."

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Like yours, whenever this happened my car always started on the second try. So why do you care if it always starts on the second try? In the past 40+ years of car ownership I've never owned one that didn't occasionally fail to start on the first try. This includes cars with carburetors, TBI and EFI. I wouldn't even waste time taking it to the dealer.

I understand that with older cars it is not unusual. I also have a 1969 JEEP CJ5 that has a carb. It is just frustrating that a brand new car does this. Sometimes it is worse than others and sometimes it will go a month without doing it. I am afraid that there is a problem and want to get it fixed while I have a warranty so I do not end up footing a huge bill later.

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