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10SBMSport, Thanks for the info...I had no clue the Taurus Tranny 6F50/6F55 has LESS drivetrain loss than the Aisin due to a single vs. dual clutch pump. Is this why the 2008-2009 Taurus FWD gets slightly better MPG than the Fusion Sport FWD...even when being ~200lbs heavier than the Sport? If Taurus (say 2008-2009 fwd) has less drivetrain loss vs Fusion Sport... how much difference in front wheel HP/TQ would you guess it to be? Did the dual clutch pump get added between years 2010-2014 Taurus? Does my 2008 Taurus also have the dual clutch pump? Thanks Again, Jay

Found a good Stock 2010 Fusion Sport 3.5 (had to be a FWD) dyno sheet. He could not keep Fusion in 4th gear without being over 4000rpm...thus could not have hp/tq numbers on dyno sheet under 4000rpm. Dyno on a 2010 Fusion Sport 3.5L v6 - Stock with 1000 miles. I called Steeda to order a part and while on the phone asked them if Fusion Sport dyno was with FWD or AWD...they said FWD on their Dynojet yet did not know what gear dyno was ran in (2nd/3rd/4th). If you average the 3 dynos from steeda (for fusion sport) regarding their cold air intake/SCT Tuner you get an Average of about 194.15HP & 203.75TQ. Below is also a dynojet dyno yet performed in 4th gear with a ratio of .860:1...thus one might see that dyno numbers could be slightly higher if 4th was a true 1:1 ratio (as is desirable for dyno to get best testing/results)...yet should yield higher results than 3rd gear with ratio 1.56:1. Furthermore it is interesting that the average of 3 steeda dynos did equal 203.75TQ vs 203.77TQ with dyno in 4th gear below...as close as you could dream of getting...yet we see a 19.50HP difference between the dyno below and Steeda's 3 dyno average (213.64-194.15 = 19.50HP). This 19.50HP difference is maybe from efficency difference of running dynos in say 2nd gear (~2.3:1) vs 4th gear (.860:1)? Both dynos were performed on a Dynojet, both were SAE corrected and both using a FWD yet a 19.50HP difference tells me the gear selected to run dynos were different. Steeda (on best of 3 dyno runs) had a peak TQ of ~208TQ and below dyno had peak HP of 213.77. The 213.77HP run could also be much higher than Steeda because of possible tire rub/resistance on rollers from pinching/alingment slighty off, the vehicle was not broke in enough, vehicle needed oil change/filter change/tranny fluid change, etc. Therefore if I were a Fusion Sport owner I would use 214HP/208TQ as what the FWHP/FWTQ numbers are proven to be by dyno. Also, dyno curve below does show max HP at 6100RPM (steeda dyno max HP was at 5800RPM (with stock dynos)...max flywheel HP by Ford for the 3.5 L is at 6200-6250RPM (dyno below with 213.64HP at 6100 RPM much closer to flywheel max HP by Ford than steeda results). Please post any better numbers if you have them. I think the numbers look strong. Dyno link below: http://www.modularre...ead.php?t=17960 Enjoy, Jay

BlackBetty, Glad you enjoyed info...I could not stand thinking that Fusion Sport owners thought their 263hp/249tq (flywheel) was only putting down ~194-195hp as shown by Steeda Dyno testing...263hp x .74 (74%) = 194.62hp (wheel). Made me sick to think that the Fusion Sport FWD had a 26% power loss...thus I did some searching to find better numbers...and knowing 194-195hp could not possibly be the max peak capabilities of the Fusion Sport with considering that the Taurus 3.5 (same engine) produced 223-224hp/218-219tq. I just could not for a second believe that the Taurus 3.5 FWD = +28-30hp more than Fusion Sport 3.5 FWD (having the same exact stock engine, hp & tq rated by Ford). Glad you love the Steeda Power pack...I bet it sounds tough...and hauls some butt too. I seriously thought I had gained 50-60hp (flywheel) by butt dyno after doing exhaust/tuner/true CAI + 93octane gas. Tuner did the most good considering it resulted in better throttle response, quicker gear shifting from 1st-2nd/2nd-3rd/3rd-4th, much increased shift firmness, increased rpms of shifts by +400-500rpm (shift points) & now I don't have the drastic rpm drop after shifting (post shift fall in rpms)...all the above I estimate resulted in a ~.30-.40 sec faster 0-60...and a ~ .60-.70 sec reduced 1/4 mile (will find out soon) because now I should be able to end 1/4 mile in the top of 3rd gear at ~6600-6700rpms ( vs. bottom of 4th gear) and hopefully at ~100-101mph...hopefully in 13.90sec. Furthermore, the Hypertech Tuner gave a dyno proven ~ +18hp (averaged ~ +15hp throughout entire rpm range from ~4000-6300rpms)...I love it. Take Care, Jay

That was a great video...thanks for the treat. If all Stock...WOW...he launched like rocket. Can you say grab & go...great tires for the hook. Does anyone else think the tires/wheels look a little bit taller than OEM/Stock?...slightly does to me? jay

Found a good Stock 2010 Fusion Sport 3.5 (had to be a FWD) dyno sheet. He could not keep Fusion in 4th gear without being over 4000rpm...thus could not have hp/tq numbers on dyno sheet under 4000rpm. Dyno on a 2010 Fusion Sport 3.5L v6 - Stock with 1000 miles. I called Steeda to order a part and while on the phone asked them if Fusion Sport dyno was with FWD or AWD...they said FWD on their Dynojet yet did not know what gear dyno was ran in (2nd/3rd/4th). If you average the 3 dynos from steeda (for fusion sport) regarding their cold air intake/SCT Tuner you get an Average of about 194.15HP & 203.75TQ. Below is also a dynojet dyno yet performed in 4th gear with a ratio of .860:1...thus one might see that dyno numbers could be slightly higher if 4th was a true 1:1 ratio (as is desirable for dyno to get best testing/results)...yet should yield higher results than 3rd gear with ratio 1.56:1. Furthermore it is interesting that the average of 3 steeda dynos did equal 203.75TQ vs 203.77TQ with dyno in 4th gear below...as close as you could dream of getting...yet we see a 19.50HP difference between the dyno below and Steeda's 3 dyno average (213.64-194.15 = 19.50HP). This 19.50HP difference is maybe from efficency difference of running dynos in say 2nd gear (~2.3:1) vs 4th gear (.860:1)? Both dynos were performed on a Dynojet, both were SAE corrected and both using a FWD yet a 19.50HP difference tells me the gear selected to run dynos were different. Steeda (on best of 3 dyno runs) had a peak TQ of ~208TQ and below dyno had peak HP of 213.77. The 213.77HP run could also be much higher than Steeda because of possible tire rub/resistance on rollers from pinching/alingment slighty off, the vehicle was not broke in enough, vehicle needed oil change/filter change/tranny fluid change, etc. Therefore if I were a Fusion Sport owner I would use 214HP/208TQ as what the FWHP/FWTQ numbers are proven to be by dyno. Also, dyno curve below does show max HP at 6100RPM (steeda dyno max HP was at 5800RPM (with stock dynos)...max flywheel HP by Ford for the 3.5 L is at 6200-6250RPM (dyno below with 213.64HP at 6100 RPM much closer to flywheel max HP by Ford than steeda results). Please post any better numbers if you have them. I think the numbers look strong. Enjoy, Jay http://www.modularrevolution.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17960

DrOlds1, Thanks for the nice post...I try to look at other peoples position (their thinking) before going off the handle saying things you can't take back (most of the time). I would love to stay and glad someone wants me here...thank you, Jay Found some info (below) that I think is interesting regarding the Ford Edge: Posted Yesterday, 02:49 AM FordMan1977 http://www.fordedgeforum.com/topic/12657-57-58sec-0-60-videos-in-support-of-the-35-engine-potential-times-corrected/ Well I had some time this weekend to get a good 0-60 base run on my Edge. I ran several 0-60 runs. Traction control on TC off. Selectshift no selectshift. Rev to 2000rpm and release brake. Of all these tests the Edge had the lowest 0-60 by just stabing the gas from idle with the TC off. My Edge is a completely stock 2013 3.5L SEL AWD with 20" wheels. My runs were done using a g-tech pro accelerometer unit. My Edge has 7, 500 mi. I had 3/4 tank of 87oct fuel and air temp was 55* All runs I did were within a few hundreths of a sec of my best. Basically if you took all the runs to create an average I get 6.42sec 0-60. My best was 6.35s. Not bad for a stock Edge! I just thought I would share my results. I do plan on doing some mods and this will be a great tool to use for refetence of improvement each mod gives. 1st pic is just how I had the g-tech set up and its location. 2nd pic is the test data on my best 0-60 run. Attached Thumbnails · ·

BlackBetty, Nice ride BTW. What is your thoughts on the steeda powerpack you have...throttle response, shift quickness/speed...and does the butt dyno say minimal, moderate or significant hp/tq gains? Regarding your buddy and his SHO...I only have experience with CAI on current vehicle (never done before) yet my CAI actually made my Taurus ~1/2 as loud during most driving conditions...yet did make it ~25% louder only when above ~75-80% throttle. Jay

To All Forum Members, I am sorry for my last post...lack of sleep maybe? My expectations were different regarding posting topics on this forum. Praise is not what I am after...hope my posts did not come off that way. I will give some praise/props to what I have seen by member SlowLSJ...done some things that have lead to huge gains with his fusion sport (hats off to him). I do like to share my excitement with others...Maybe I am the Tony Robbins of the fusion forum? There are great people on this forum as any forum...just they might not share the same interest. No harm meant...just the facts of life I guess...I should have just kept my rant of disipointment & frustration to myself (as most people do). Since my cry to mommy about people being mean and not playing with me...I guess she told people to start talking to me more (on this site)...guess it worked. I feel like that brat kid that gets his way..ha I crack myself up...Thanks for the recent replys you all. Sorry Again, Jay

Akirby, I am not pissed off...I guess my expectations were different regarding posting topics on this forum. Maybe you are right that another forum might be better. Praise is not what I am after...hope my posts did not come off that way. I do like to share my excitement with others...Maybe I am the Tony Robbins of the fusion forum? There are great people on this forum as any forum...just they might not share the same interest. No harm meant...just the facts of life I guess...I should have just kept my rant of disipointment & frustration to myself (as most people do). Peace, Jay

Mr FD, Thanks for the response regarding 5.9/6.0 info & tire height theory...there is a reason why you have the most likes of posting/topics of anyone on this site. I know having taller tires would in most all cases be slower. I still think the Fusion Sport has too much low end torque (& HP) & to numerically high 1st gear ratio (almost 14:1) to optimally hook... considering its short ~26" tire height. I feel 26.5-27" tire height with a reduction in width of 10mm (thus equal weight vs stock) would to hook better...Hope someone tries someday. I have a set of tires someone could use to try & see...if anyone lives nearby. You are spot on with the physics of rotational inertia & tq multiplication...but minimizing wheelspin does have huge time implications (as you well know). Thanks for the repy...you are the only reason I am going to stick around for awhile...not that anyone really cares if I leave. I have a flowmaster 40 or 44 with increased pipe of .25" over stock, hypertech tune running 93 octane and true CAI. Made ~ 10 different CAI designs over the past 1 year...all surprisingly gave different results in power be it low range/mid range/upper end. Exhaust actually zapped power low & mid till I installed CAI. Can you Guess what intake tube diameter is? Peace, Jay

Yes, I am also aware as a general rule loss = 15-20%...sticks less & autos more... AWD = most loss------RWD slightly more loss than FWD (usually). I am trying to find the best dyno numbers for the Ford 3.5 (dynojet numbers - keeping numbers somewhat standardized)...also I am just passing info along to others regarding what numbers I know about. Does not seem like anyone really cares...I can't even get a couple of my my questions answered. No one has even commented on the Stock numbers for the 3.5 (peak hp/tq peak or curves)...I find it interesting & impressive. Maybe I will start posting on the Taurus Website since the only thing I get here is attempts at correcting/educating me and people trying to prove me wrong...Nobody has even asked me how I made my car drop 1 full second from my stock 0-60 time. I thought the Fusion Forum would offer more due to the mods/products available and the many people I see on this forum that are trying to get better performance (tuning, CAI, exhaust, springs, tires, cats)...Taurus forum has less people trying for performance. This is not worth my time. Please do not think I am talking to you BIGJIM...I am only ranting my frustration. FusionDiffusion did frustrate me initially but I did learn some things (he knows a lot) and I am thankful for his help. Peace, Jay

BlackBetty, I would like to see that dyno sheet if you have it...would be interesting to see comparing it with respect to hp/tq curves (to the K&N Taurus Dyno sheet). Might give insight into tuning,intake,exhaust,tranny differences between the which could possibly help others (me included) see potentials and/or weakness throughout the hp/tq curves towards performance gains. Steeda's dynos numbers on fusion sport ( 3 different dynos ran) being ~192-197hp & ~203-207tq...did they get these numers on a fwd or awd? Also, what gear was ran (1st,2nd,3rd)? I know the Mustang 3.7 and many other cars Do often dyno ~ +10HP & ~ +6-8TQ higher in 3rd vs 2nd gear...usually when gear ratio drops ~ 1.0 (example dropping from 2.65:1 in 2nd to 1.65:1 in 3rd gear). Then dyno ~ +4HP & ~ +2-3TQ higher in 4th vs 3rd when gear ratio drops down again by ~ .40 ( 1.65:1 in 3rd to 1.25:1 in 4th gear)...not always yet often I do see this...I guess efficiency in taller gears (numerically lower numbers). Thus, if steeda Fusion Sport dyno was in 2nd gear during runs then we might see 202-207HP in 3rd and 205-210 in 4th gear? Thanks, Jay PS - I read on a site about a person stating his (100% STOCK) Fusion Sport 3.5 fwd Dyno in 3rd or 4th gear making between 210-214/203-207 (in that ballpark can't remeber exact numbers)...SAE corrected & I think it was also done on a dynojet. 213hp/207tq sticks to my mind.

BlackBetty, You are absolutely correct that dynos are great tools for a baseline run & then to see gains of various mods...as long as you run on the same type of dyno (dynojet, MustangDyno, etc.)...as every dyno type is different. I am simply posting the capabilities of the Ford 3.5L...my thoughts are that owners of any of Fords 3.5L vehicles would enjoy seeing that the Ford 3.5L made alot of HP & TQ...including Fusion owners. Further, it is fun to know that the Ford 3.5L made alot more power than Honda Accords 3.5L (271hp rating) and slightly more than Nissans Maxima 3.5L (290hp rating). I think it is somewhat reasonable that one could use the Taurus dyno numbers to get rough estimates of what the Fusion would make...as they have the same engine, same hp, same tq. They do have different trannys. As you already know, dynos cannot be compared using different dyno types (from a peak power standpoint). Yet (from what I have read) you can compare dynos by running the same car stock & again with a tuner to see improvement on a dynojet & then run another dyno stock & with the tune on a mustang dyno by comparing % improvements...% improvements over stock should be the same. Post was simply info I thought Fusion owners would like to know. I am surprised that nobody has posted "WOW...thats alot of power, good to know my Fusion could also achieve numbers in this range" (+ or - a couple hp & tq). Jay

FusionDiffusion, Yes I agree that speedo accuracy is still slightly in question...like with ~99% of youtube videos you will see (going by their speedo) and yes now I know you cannot use rpms to determine mph during WOT/acceleration (as you have stated)...I have done as many people have done (for many years) is simply use the speedo to time 0-60 (regarding my new numbers)...my current assumption is that my speedo is correct. Until further testing is done I will make this assumption (until I prove otherwise)...like everyone else who posts a video of 0-60 on youtube is assuming. My newest 0-60 times were based on the mph not from rpm (might have not made that point clear in earlier post)...yet on my car in 2nd gear 1rpm = 1mph (almost exactly). I will make another video yet do not have an iphone...simple flip phone (I do not like butt calling people). Could easily do another video with the same phone yet want to do as you have suggested yield more exact results...may take a couple weeks. I will post my new times for 0-60...you don't have to agree...we can agree to disagree over you clocking 5.9/6.0sec vs my 5.75/5.80sec. I do have 1 question...is the 5.9sec for video #1 (named 5.5sec) & 6.0sec for video #2 named 5.5-5.6sec) or is it 5.9-6.0sec clocking only 1 of the videos (never did a frame by frame review of both videos)? I don't want to continue talking about a small difference in times...lets wait till I do some more runs performed as you have outlined above. On another note...I do love the fusion sport 3.5 and would have bought one yet wanted a larger car for the child seat...and for the crap I must haul around between 2 offices. After looking at the 0-60 times for the Fusion Sport 3.5 (FWD) I wonder if the times would be improved by ~.2sec (0-60) if they ran with ~1" taller tires. The gearing of the Fusion is almost 14:1 in 1st gear (taurus is 12.42:1 and has taller tires)...with shorter tires the torque must spin the tires too much making 1st gear less usable...as I punch with WOT and minimal spin (sometimes) even with TC being off. Taller tires are usually slower to 60mph yet I bet the Fusion would be an exception to the rule? Let me know your thoughts please (all people) on the taller tire theory being faster. I know 2nd gear would be slightly slower...that is obvious...but 1st gear would be a fun test to see if decreased wheelspin made up for the slower 2nd gear...also it could make 60mph in 2nd gear vs being in 3rd? Thanks for help Mr. FD, Jay

Just wanted share this with everyone...as this shows the potential of the Fusion Sport 3.5 and other Ford 3.5's. Do not know if anyone has seen the dyno by K&N on the 2011 Taurus (fwd) with the same stock 263-265HP/ 249-250TQ as the Fusion Sport, Edge, Flex...and also 2008-2009 Taurus (same as my Taurus)...this was a non-turbo 3.5L. They (K&N) have done dynos on the edge yet none on the Fusion 3.5. I can only find dynos done by steeda on their Dynojet for the Fusion 3.5...yet those numbers must be from an AWD since the numbers seem low. 2011 Taurus by K&N on their Dynojet in 3rd gear (1.842:1 gear ratio) pulled ~223Hp @ 5900rpm & 218 TQ spike @ 4400rpm...might be a good comp to what a Fusion Sport 3.5 would make if dyno on a FWD in third/forth gear? Let me know what you think, Jay http://www.knfilters...3528TS_dyno.pdf