akirby Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 When someone posts that they have a problem they are looking for a resolution and are frustrated - why give lame excuses when you have no idea of the REAL failure rate or any other data - do you work for a Ford Stealer ? Then call them names..... These forums are about helping each other find resolutions and keep the stealers from fleecing our pockets on a defective products. Lets post facts not make excuses or wild guesses... The OP said this: so it seems to be the case that these transmissions have defective valve bodies. a corrected tsb removed a build date on the tsb and thus all cd3s with the aisin transmission have a transmission that would likely fail. how come consumer reports doesnt pick up on this when discussing cd3 reliability? All based on ONE person's experience and a TSB. If nobody knows the actual failure rate then folks shouldn't make statements that all aisin trannys will fail - especially when there are many owners with Aisin trannys that have not failed. As for name calling - "Stealership" is just as bad. Pot - meet kettle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dffr1 Posted July 11, 2012 Share Posted July 11, 2012 The OP said this: All based on ONE person's experience and a TSB. If nobody knows the actual failure rate then folks shouldn't make statements that all aisin trannys will fail - especially when there are many owners with Aisin trannys that have not failed. As for name calling - "Stealership" is just as bad. Pot - meet kettle. If you look at the rest of this forum and others you will see NUMEROUS posts of defective trannys, which is a small sample of lemons out there. Seems like even the brand new 2012's are having the same issues as I write this. Personally I have had MANY issues with my POS '10 SE and EVERY problem is duplicated by others here as well. Not sure how Ford is charging for emission problems before the govt mandatory warranty expires - I see a lawsuit coming... BTW - did you notice the new car reliability surveys and yes ford has taken a nosedive - badly. Which stealership do you work at ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If you look at the rest of this forum and others you will see NUMEROUS posts of defective trannys, which is a small sample of lemons out there. Seems like even the brand new 2012's are having the same issues as I write this. Personally I have had MANY issues with my POS '10 SE and EVERY problem is duplicated by others here as well. Not sure how Ford is charging for emission problems before the govt mandatory warranty expires - I see a lawsuit coming... BTW - did you notice the new car reliability surveys and yes ford has taken a nosedive - badly. Which stealership do you work at ? I don't work at a dealership and I don't work for Ford. But I'm smart enough to know that just because there are a lot of complaints in online forums that doesn't mean that the problem affects the majority of vehicles much less EVERY SINGLE ONE. Are there problems? Of course. Do they affect all vehicles? Absolutely not. Should Ford fix the ones that are defective? If it's within the warranty period, yes. Otherwise, no. That goes for all mfrs not just Ford and not just autos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 If you look at the rest of this forum and others you will see NUMEROUS posts of defective trannys, which is a small sample of lemons out there. Seems like even the brand new 2012's are having the same issues as I write this. Personally I have had MANY issues with my POS '10 SE and EVERY problem is duplicated by others here as well. Not sure how Ford is charging for emission problems before the govt mandatory warranty expires - I see a lawsuit coming... BTW - did you notice the new car reliability surveys and yes ford has taken a nosedive - badly. Which stealership do you work at ? Ford did not drop in any reliability study.The drop was in JD Power's new car quality survey and was due mainly to complaints with MyFord Touch, not mechanical problems. Moreover, the JD Power quality survey is separate and distinct from their dependability study. Ford was well above the industry average in the Power 2012 Dependability study and well ahead of the vaunted Honda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dffr1 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Per consumer reports - which I do not have access to and would never as their calculations are flawed - they count a minor cosmetic problem the same as a bad throttle body which dies in traffic and leaves you in danger - as so many fusion owners are finding out the hard way. Some failing within a few thousand miles. Maybe someone here can post the meaningless details anyway. It will take another year or so for the masses to see our pain... In recent years Ford has been a model of American reliability, competing well against Japanese makes that have dominated for decades. But three of its new models are blemishing that record. The new Ford Explorer, Fiesta, and Focus all had below-average reliability in their first year. As a result, Ford’s overall reliability rank among 28 major car makes slipped from the 10th to the 20th spot this year—the biggest drop for any major nameplate in Consumer Reports' 2011 Annual Auto Survey. Ford’s drop can also be attributed to problems with new technologies: the new MyFord Touch infotainment system and the new automated-manual transmission used in the Fiesta and Focus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 Per consumer reports - which I do not have access to and would never as their calculations are flawed - they count a minor cosmetic problem the same as a bad throttle body which dies in traffic and leaves you in danger - as so many fusion owners are finding out the hard way. Some failing within a few thousand miles. Maybe someone here can post the meaningless details anyway. It will take another year or so for the masses to see our pain... Yes there are some throttle body and transmission problems. Ford sells 250K+ Fusions every year. I only see a few complaints. That doesn't mean it's not a problem or that Ford shouldn't correct it but don't exaggerate just because you're unhappy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dffr1 Posted July 12, 2012 Share Posted July 12, 2012 BTW - We were stuck with these as our only national fleet sedan in a very large fortune 500 company - you will see the numbers arise. For every poster - we have many who just ignore the problems - most just buying time until they can unload the vehicle. Not one driver likes the fusion - mainly because we were driving 300's - which you can not compare... I would guess that 60% of our fleet fusion drivers have experienced atleast a very rough idle and hesitation - some with as little as 1K miles. Mine idled fine even when it would randomly shut off. I posted this question before on another thread, but will ask again - when ours dies in traffic we try shutting the engine off while rolling - but every time it starts but you can not accelerate. We now come to a complete stop - shut the car off for a minute and it restarts and runs OK for a while - sometimes a week.... VERY dangerous to say the least, I just hope that someone is not killed before Ford has a recall.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 (edited) Per consumer reports - which I do not have access to and would never as their calculations are flawed - they count a minor cosmetic problem the same as a bad throttle body which dies in traffic and leaves you in danger - as so many fusion owners are finding out the hard way. Some failing within a few thousand miles. Maybe someone here can post the meaningless details anyway. It will take another year or so for the masses to see our pain... In recent years Ford has been a model of American reliability, competing well against Japanese makes that have dominated for decades. But three of its new models are blemishing that record. The new Ford Explorer, Fiesta, and Focus all had below-average reliability in their first year. As a result, Ford’s overall reliability rank among 28 major car makes slipped from the 10th to the 20th spot this year—the biggest drop for any major nameplate in Consumer Reports' 2011 Annual Auto Survey. Ford’s drop can also be attributed to problems with new technologies: the new MyFord Touch infotainment system and the new automated-manual transmission used in the Fiesta and Focus. Once again, this is a straw argument. This is the Ford Fusion Forum. We're only talking about Fusions. The Explorer, Focus and Fiesta- all first year models, have nothing to do with the discussion at hand, i e. Ford/Aisin transmissions in early CD3s.. The issues with Focus and Fiesta have to do with the operation of the dual-clutch transmission. They may be clunky but there have been no reports of widespread failures. As a side note, Ford can't keep up with the demand for the new Focus and Explorer. Interesting contradiction. You say you wouldn't read CR yet you quote their criticism of Ford's reliability. So which is it? You deny the validity of their calculations but you quote then anyway. For the record: Because problems with major engine and transmission components engine cooling, and drive systems can be more serious and expensive to repair, our calculations give extra weight to them. So your assumptions of how CR reports results is fundamentally incorrect. I fthere were major problems with transmissions and TB's affecting a large percentage of Fusions, why isn't that reflected in CR's surveys? While I don't necessarily buy their methodology for quality/reliability reporting, if you're going to use CR as a source, then why not also say that they included the Fusion SE I4 in their list of best cars under $25G? In addition the Fusion SE I4, SEL V6, SEL V6 AWD and Hybrid are all recommended in the family sedan category. The gasoline-only models have a better than average predicted reliability while the Hybrid was the only sedan in this category with a much better than average predicted reliability. So, if one places a lot of stock in what CR says (and many Americans do) any Fusion one chooses will have at least better than average reliability and better than that of a Honda Accord V6, a Hyundai Sonata, a Subaru Legacy. If the Fusion's reliability had declined drastically, it would be showing up in CR's owner surveys. Edited July 13, 2012 by drolds1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccd228 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 (edited) I did post on this feed evidently I was in the wrong place. My car is shifting terrible,hesitating and jerking.Some of the posts I read I thought through seemed to be similiar to what I am experiencing. I did come to this site because I did buy a new 2012 Fusion sport and this is a ford fusion forum website.I bought a platinum white with all the extra's except navigation. I was upset that at 1600 miles I can't leave the house without it shifting bad and jerking. I wanted help or some insite on what it could be. It's been at dealer 3 times and they can't pinpoint the problem and I work in the Ford family myself. Turned out from the codes my car was reading,what they fixed was not on the list that was related to them. It's not fixed still. I would like to be able to drive my car and not be scared to pull out in front of someone or to just be able to go fast down the highway without it stalling,jerking or hesitating. But I will be careful going forward to not post on something that my car is not. Edited July 16, 2012 by ccd228 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dffr1 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I did post on this feed evidently I was in the wrong place. My car is shifting terrible,hesitating and jerking.Some of the posts I read I thought through seemed to be similiar to what I am experiencing. I did come to this site because I did buy a new 2012 Fusion sport and this is a ford fusion forum website.I bought a platinum white with all the extra's except navigation. I was upset that at 1600 miles I can't leave the house without it shifting bad and jerking. I wanted help or some insite on what it could be. It's been at dealer 3 times and they can't pinpoint the problem and I work in the Ford family myself. Turned out from the codes my car was reading,what they fixed was not on the list that was related to them. It's not fixed still. I would like to be able to drive my car and not be scared to pull out in front of someone or to just be able to go fast down the highway without it stalling,jerking or hesitating. But I will be careful going forward to not post on something that my car is not. The problem could either be a bad throttle body or trans, both are problematic with the 12's - even with very low miles. I would lean towards a tb because of the codes being thrown. When I had my problem the stealership swore that there were not any codes being stored - I smell something fishy here as they may not want to show all of the failures under the same code - which may force Ford into a recall - just wild a$$ speculation. I would suggest going to an independent auto parts supply - round here Auto Zone will read the codes and print them out for you free. Google the codes if any and go back to a different dealer and show them that you did your homework. Someone else just posted that they were charged $100 for a tb and was told that it was not covered under their warranty - but we need more info - they could have been over the mileage. Let us know how you make out... Good Luck 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 point 5 Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I would like to be able to drive my car and not be scared to pull out in front of someone or to just be able to go fast down the highway without it stalling,jerking or hesitating. Then you shouldnt pull out in front of people... Problem solved... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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