craigmccormick Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 My '10 FFH just passed 100,000 miles (161,000 kms). Anyone else reached this vintage? And what problems have you had so far? I've only owned this car for a few months but I have the maintenance records since new. I've had to replace the engine temp sensor, an O2 sensor and wheel front bearings. The brakes were done before I got the car. My long-term fuel economy is 5.8 litres/100km. I'm curious to hear from other 'hi-milers'. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_h Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 Same here... bought the car new and will hit 130k this weekend. Only issues have been O2 sensor at 63k (ran fine but CEL went off) and also a front wheekl bearing at 118k (drove fine but they found it when replacing the tires). No brakes needed for me, 90% of my miles are highway and I last checked brake wear at 120k and all wheels appear to have half of the material remaining, as compared to the new set that I still have ready in the box. Will drive it for another 30k miles and then either a 2013 C-Max or Fusion again, probably the Fusion since it's not much higher... but will test drive both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted August 14, 2012 Share Posted August 14, 2012 The DOE Advanced Vehicle Testing Activity ( http://avt.inl.gov/hev.shtml ) that monitors various hybrids in courier service in Phoenix has accumulated 160,000 miles with their remaining FFH ( one was totaled at 70,000 miles ). Here is a link to the maintenance log: http://avt.inl.gov/pdf/hev/ms2010fusion4757.pdf They should be reporting on the hybrid system at 160,000 miles soon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CometFlash Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Should be interesting to hear that report. And of course even better are the reports from those here who have hit 100k+ miles. A friend of mine keeps telling me my battery will stop taking charge within the next few years and then I'll have to either replace it or have a big pile of useless metal on my hands. Perhaps he just doesn't like the incredible MPG I've been getting. :P Did Ford ever do extreme testing to the hybrid powertrains like they did to the F-150 EcoBoost engines? They proved those EB's could go a ton of miles through all kinds of weather for many, many years without a problem under loads and everything. Since I bought the FFH to use to save $ until I pay off my mortgage on my house I recently bought, and not because I loved the looks like I always have the F-150, I never did an hardcore research on it so I don't know what kind of long-term testing (if any) they did on the hybrid powertrains. I want this car to last at least another 6 years to hit my goal, and I can't imagine it would have any issues in that time frame if Ford did their homework before building them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted August 15, 2012 Share Posted August 15, 2012 Ford has been selling hybrids since the 2004 Escape. They haven't sold anywhere near what Toyota and Honda have sold but the Honda is not an eCVT type anyhow. We will see. I haven't cruised the Escape Forum's but I haven't heard of HVB problems. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Eater Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 San Francisco uses FFH's as taxis, I see them a lot at the airport. I tried asking one of the taxi drivers what he thought about it as far as longevity but he didn't speak english well and tried telling me about how much the rear bumper costs when someone hits it from behind. In Manhattan I've seen a lot of them as police cars. I have no idea if that makes for a lot of miles but it sure seems like hard use. Joe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Automate Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 An old topic but I'm curious who has the most miles on their Fusion Hybrid and what problems have you had after the warranty ran out? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campenella Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 135,000+ miles. Passenger side headlight bracket has been about it aside from oil changes and other standard procedures. Great mileage, live in Wisconsin, once the temperature is above 40 degrees the milage is above 40. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) 107 K miles on my 2010 FFH. The brakes are like new, 11 mm of pad on the fronts, 7 mm on the rears left. I had to replace the upper O2 sensor, did it myself for ~$70, with help from this forum. I had 2 tire press. sensors fail, the first one cost me $160 to have replaced by the dealer, the second I bought the tps at Rockauto for $37, and had a local tire shop install it and reset the system for $15. Of course I am on my second set of Michelin tires now, no complaints there. I am still getting 39 mpg in the winter, and about 41 in the summer. I have a complete gas usage record. My previous vehicle that I loved and drove 190K miles was a 2000 Ford Explorer that averaged 20 mpg. Compared to it as a baseline, I have saved $8,330 in gasoline cost to date. There was a report on this forum that the Escape hybrid Taxi's in a California fleet had no failed high voltage batteries at an average mileage of ~300K miles, except for 2 that had been damaged in accidents. These were the same type nickel metal hydride batteries that we have. This 2010 FFH engine has a lubricated long life cam chain, not a cam belt, so we don't need to worry about the expensive new cam belt replacement ($500-$1000) at ~ 130,000 miles on cam belt cars which are about half of new cars still. Funny that very few people ask about what type of cam drive the car has when they buy a new car. Edited April 10, 2015 by VonoreTn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogo88 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Two requirements I have on any vehile we buy. No rubberband and no premium gas. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_h Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Today was the day my old 2010 FFH hit 200k and still looks and runs great! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Today was the day my old 2010 FFH hit 200k and still looks and runs great! Any major expensive repairs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff_h Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Any major expensive repairs? Nothing major, in fact hardly anything at all. 33k - left front wheel bearing found bad during state inspection (tech said these going bad are rare on Fusions) - covered under warranty 50k - no problem, but had engine belt replaced 66k - Check engine light went off, took it in and was O2 sensor out of range, replaced under extended warranty (only time extended warranty used) 100k - no problem, but had engine belt and spark plugs replaced 118k - right front wheel bearing found bad when getting new tires (hey I thought these going bad was rare on Fusions) - I think that was about $350 or so out of pocket 140k - no problem, but had the other O2 sensor, engine belt, and the battery replaced before transferring ownership -- I also replaced the brake pads myself at this point, the originals were only half-worn but I had the pads on hand and didn't want the new owner (close fiend) to have to do it later. Other than that, I changed the oil myself every 5k miles since day 1 -- that may seem too frequent for some but I grew up on every 3k so I settled on every 5k and will continue that and hope to post the 300k odometer shot in a few years. . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Nothing major, in fact hardly anything at all. Thanks for the detailed repair list. I would call that a very good quality record for 200K miles. Seems like everyone replaces at least one O2 sensor. On front wheel drive cars, if you don't get the spindle hub nut really tight (188 ft lbs on Fusion), the wheel bearing inner race will not be sufficiently compressed to assure that it rotates with the rotating axle shaft. When relative rotary slippage occurs due to under torque, the inner race wears out to the point that you have a wobbly wheel, and things only get worse. And you can't use an impact wrench, that can do more damage . They may have had an out of calibration tool at the assembly plant but I'm not making any accusations, the Ford assembly people take all specifications very seriously. As for the serpentine belt, I worked in that field for years, and until 1995, the neoprene belts that everyone used would get cracks in the ribs at 40K-50K miles. But Ford led the way and worked with the major belt suppliers to get a more durable belt, and they came up with belts made of EPDM rubber that has much better high temperature characteristics. The serpentine belts on just about all new cars are EPDM and they will go to 100K-150K miles. You can research your replacement belts on the web to make sure they also are EPDM. There are still Neoprene belts out there, and they tend to be the cheapest priced ones. As for the polyester belt cord, it rarely fails, but will if an accessory freezes up. I think that on our engines the only thing the acc'y belt drives is the water pump, which rarely freezes up. I just checked my original belt and it has no cracks at 107K miles. Spindle nut torque specs: http://www.skf.com/binary/79-66360/457377.pdf Edited April 14, 2015 by VonoreTn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liecaa Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 Late, but my 2011 hybrid is at 106000 ish miles. When I got the car it had no back brake pads, fault on car place that I got it from, not expensive $75 out of pocket for brakes and router. Tire replaced also wasn't expesive, my fault. Went for a 8 hr. round drive no problems went back for a 4 hr round drive week later got wrench light got gas waited 30 mins been running fine since, no light. (Spent a total of $120 in gas both trips, YAAYY.) Now my a.c. has quit at the right 90-100 degree weather and stuck at if its the evap temp sensor or blower motor. And my gas mileage has gotten poor says I should get 34 miles to the gallon and went on a 50 mile round highway trip and went from 174 miles to 100. In town it seems like its getting worse to. Did a oil change $40 . Anyone else notice gas mileage getting poor, any suggestions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Anyone else notice gas mileage getting poor, any suggestions? You might check your 12 volt battery status, mine was reading 11.9 volts with engine off first thing in the morning, which is too low. I'm at 111,000 miles. I told the dealer to check it out, they said it was fine, but a week later it wouldn't start. I put a volt meter on it and the voltage was dropping to 7 volts when my wife was trying to start it. That's not high enough to support fundamental functions, like spark and fuel. So I charged the battery, and drove it to the dealer who put in a new battery. The dealerships are the only place you can get that battery, $119. They put it in for $129 including the battery which I thought was a good deal. Did you get the AC fixed? While driving to the dealer with the weak 12 volt battery, the left 2 AC registers were pumping hot air, while the right 2 were cold, no matter what settings I had. After they put in the new battery, it fixed itself, neither they nor I know why. Edited June 23, 2015 by VonoreTn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted June 23, 2015 Share Posted June 23, 2015 (edited) Check the 12 vdc battery first. If it's never been replaced, do that first. If the blower motor works in any mode, it's not the blower. The evaporator temp sensor is a known fusion problem and the whole dash has to come out to replace it. It can be diagnosed with a scanner. There are YouTube videos on how to do it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cfPShi_-Nk. For the wrench light you must take it to the Ford dealer. There are some technical service bulletins on the car that might fix that. There are some software updates that you need to be checked to see if they were done. Edited June 24, 2015 by lolder 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allamand Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 jeff_h, or any one else with lots of miles on their FFH, we are at 146k and was wondering if any one has bothered to replace the "lifetime" air filter (is 150k the lifetime?) Also I noticed no coolant flush...has anyone had the radiator and the battery system flushed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 jeff_h, or any one else with lots of miles on their FFH, we are at 146k and was wondering if any one has bothered to replace the "lifetime" air filter (is 150k the lifetime?) Also I noticed no coolant flush...has anyone had the radiator and the battery system flushed? Think of the lifetime air filter in these terms. Unless you have a premium passenger air filter (most people don't) somehow during rain, snow, mud, etc. the car ventilation system gets fairly clean air into the passenger compartment, with no dust or water in it. OK, you get skunk smell if not in recirc mode, but that's not dirt particles. the passenger compartment air is clean enough to run an engine. So if you have a well designed engine air entry system, with sufficient baffles, and water drains, you can also get pretty darn clean air into an FFH throttle body without the need for a replaceable air filter. Be mindful that the FFH was never designed to support farm work in extremely dusty conditions, so the air entry system probably will never need to be serviced. My dealer assured me it should not be on my top 20 worry list. I have not had a radiator or battery cooling system flushed at 112,000 miles, but I do watch my coolant levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savngas Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 135k on my 2010...no problems since day one...does this engine have a timing belt or chain? Thanks, Harry 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 My coworker had to replace the hybrid batteries on his Camry. I think it was around 6 yrs old with 80K miles give or take. $4400. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 135k on my 2010...no problems since day one...does this engine have a timing belt or chain? Thanks, Harry It has a chain, which should last the life of the engine, like 300K miles, which would put you past the distance to the moon. I hate cam belts, they are costing like $1000 at the dealer to replace on many modern cars out there (friend with Subaru), and you need to worry about them starting at 120K miles. Yes, they are quieter, and cheaper than a chain, require no lubrication, and few customers ask their new car dealer if the engine has a belt or chain, but the right thing to do for consumers is use a chain. I plan on driving my FFH through 2020, unless my wife talks me into a Lincoln hybrid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 My coworker had to replace the hybrid batteries on his Camry. I think it was around 6 yrs old with 80K miles give or take. $4400. Were they nickel metal hydride or lithium batteries? We have probably all heard about the taxi fleet of Ford Escapes hybrids in California (nmH batteries) where no new batteries have been required at an average mileage of 300K, except for 2 that were damaged in an accident. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermans Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 It has a chain, which should last the life of the engine, like 300K miles, which would put you past the distance to the moon. I hate cam belts, they are costing like $1000 at the dealer to replace on many modern cars out there (friend with Subaru), and you need to worry about them starting at 120K miles. Yes, they are quieter, and cheaper than a chain, require no lubrication, and few customers ask their new car dealer if the engine has a belt or chain, but the right thing to do for consumers is use a chain. I plan on driving my FFH through 2020, unless my wife talks me into a Lincoln hybrid. Believe me, that's a distinct possibility. I know how that goes.....that's how we got our MKZh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Not sure but I doubt they were lithium given the age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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