ctrcbob Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've been shopping around for a 2013 Fusion Titanium. Must have "Driver Assist Pkg", plus the Package that includes the "BLIS" plus the package that includes the Moonroof, (only because to get the garage door openers, you must opt for the moonroof). (Other options, including wheels, color, adaptive cruise, etc, I don't want or need, although I would consider if the deal was right). Noticed that the Titanium 2.0 Ecoboost (all Titaniums are 2.0 Ecoboost) have a transmission that has no dipstick, and must be serviced and checked from under the car. The door sticker, on the door post, says the transmission Ford Transmission Code is "W". Other than being a 6-Speed, does anyone know anything about it? I forgot where the Window Sticker says the transmission is made, but the engine is made in Spain. Example of the Ford Transmission Codes. Code "B" is the AWF-21 Transmission found in the previous V6 Fusions and MKZ's, including mine. Code "C" is the 6F55 (or 6F50) found in V6 SHO's (or V6 Taurus') What is the Code "W" Transmission? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The ATX for the 2013 Fusion is the 6F35, the unit that's been in 2.5 and 3.0 Fusions since the 2010MY. I don't know if any technical changes have been made to it for 2013. WRT the dipstick, that's the wave of the future. My Lincoln LSes had no dipsticks and that car was introduced in 1999. It might be due to packaging considerations in the 2013. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted November 17, 2012 Author Share Posted November 17, 2012 OK. 6F35. It may have been used in the 2.5 Four, but I don't think the Fusion had a 3.0 (six) since the 2006 model year. My 2007 MKZ had the 3.5 six. I could be wrong on what the Fusion had back then. Speaking of the Lincoln LS, don't know about those with the V6, but the V8 used the German made ZF Transmission, just like the Jaguar's that the V8 engines came from. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionDiffusion Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The 3.0L Duratec was used from 2006-2012 in the Fusion. The 3.5L Duratec was used in the 2010-2012 Fusion sport and the MKZ. As far as transmissions, I'm not sure about the newer models. Are you sure that it doesn't have a capped dipstick tube that just doesn't have a dipstick (my car is like this). Only serviceable from below sound like those annoying Explorer transmissions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The Lincoln LS and Explorer both used the same 5 speed automatic and it had no dipstick (not just a short dipstick that you accessed from below like some imports had). The Lincoln LS and Explorer five speed was a true pain to check the fluid on. There is a stand-off tube extending from the bottom of the pan to the top of the fluid level. Checking the fluid level required removing the plug from the bottom of that tube (bottom of the pan), with the car level and trans at operating temperature. No fluid could be dripping from the tube. To ensure that it was not too low, another plug needed to be opened higher up in the trans and a small amount of fluid injected in. If it dripped out only as fluid was added the trans was full. Confirming the trans was up to operating temperature was done using the Ford scan tool. This was on both the V6 and V8 Lincoln LS. I worked in a Lincoln service department when the LS was new and I clearly remember this stupid design. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 OK. 6F35. It may have been used in the 2.5 Four, but I don't think the Fusion had a 3.0 (six) since the 2006 model year. My 2007 MKZ had the 3.5 six. I could be wrong on what the Fusion had back then. Speaking of the Lincoln LS, don't know about those with the V6, but the V8 used the German made ZF Transmission, just like the Jaguar's that the V8 engines came from. The LS never had a ZF transmission. It used the 5R55S and 5R55N, designed and built by Ford. Some of the components were made in a Ford transmission plant in France. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 18, 2012 Share Posted November 18, 2012 Art and I both know one of the engineers who was responsible for the software on that transmission. The reason there wasn't a dipstick is because there wasn't enough room in the V8 engine bay to put one in. It was that simple. You don't need the tube to refill the tranny because you change the fluid using the cooler lines. And I can't recall the last time I had to add transmission fluid. The only real downside is that you can't easily check the condition of the fluid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted November 18, 2012 Author Share Posted November 18, 2012 The LS never had a ZF transmission. It used the 5R55S and 5R55N, designed and built by Ford. Some of the components were made in a Ford transmission plant in France. You are right. Mia culpa. I was wrong. I forgot that it was a five speed, although ZF also made five speed transmissions. I was thinking of the Jags with the same 3.9, 4.0 and 4.2 engines that used the ZF six speed transmissions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 You are right. Mia culpa. I was wrong. I forgot that it was a five speed, although ZF also made five speed transmissions. I was thinking of the Jags with the same 3.9, 4.0 and 4.2 engines that used the ZF six speed transmissions. The first generation Jaguar S-Type used the same 5R55N as the LS. The Jag never used the 3.9L V8. This was exclusive to the LS and later, the T-Bird. The 3.9 and the 4.0 (Jag) were related but not the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 The first generation Jaguar S-Type used the same 5R55N as the LS. The Jag never used the 3.9L V8. This was exclusive to the LS and later, the T-Bird. The 3.9 and the 4.0 (Jag) were related but not the same. They are close enough that I read on the Jag forums some owners buy their parts, from Ford Dealers, as many parts are the same, but much cheaper at Ford than at Jag. The one part that I remember best is the Cam Chain Followers, which wear out fast, and is the same be it Jag or Ford T-Bird or Lincoln LS. If memory serves me correct, there were also many other parts of the engines that are the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted November 22, 2012 Share Posted November 22, 2012 The biggest difference on the first year of production is that the Jag had varriable valve timing and the Lincoln did not. Later years they both did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 The biggest difference on the first year of production is that the Jag had varriable valve timing and the Lincoln did not. Later years they both did. True but even then the heads were different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'm not so sure. The LS used DAMP with no cam followers (lifters) instead of the system that was used on the Mark VIII which was the main design difference between the earlier Lincoln DOHC and the Jag. Personally, I think that was one of the tactical mistakes that Ford made, that the LS wasn't more like other Lincolns and less like the Jag S. A Lincoln 4.6 DOHC and a real driveshaft instead of the Jag C copy that was easy to misinstall after having the trans out. That is they should have let Lincoln be Lincoln instead of trying to copy a Jag in far too many details. That hydraulic engine cooling fan was really nuts. Instead of letting Lincoln be Lincoln, they have allowed it to slip to something more equivalent to a Buick. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'm not so sure. The LS used DAMP with no cam followers (lifters) instead of the system that was used on the Mark VIII which was the main design difference between the earlier Lincoln DOHC and the Jag. Personally, I think that was one of the tactical mistakes that Ford made, that the LS wasn't more like other Lincolns and less like the Jag S. A Lincoln 4.6 DOHC and a real driveshaft instead of the Jag C copy that was easy to misinstall after having the trans out. That is they should have let Lincoln be Lincoln instead of trying to copy a Jag in far too many details. That hydraulic engine cooling fan was really nuts. Instead of letting Lincoln be Lincoln, they have allowed it to slip to something more equivalent to a Buick. Agreed. As great as that Jag AJ-V8 was (even in Lincoln guise) it was expensive and power limited. The 4.6L actually fit the engine bay but not from the bottom so it wouldn't work on the assembly line. I don't remember the details but I believe the variable valve timing systems were done differently, thus the different heads and intake. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctrcbob Posted November 24, 2012 Author Share Posted November 24, 2012 I'm not so sure. The LS used DAMP with no cam followers (lifters) instead of the system that was used on the Mark VIII which was the main design difference between the earlier Lincoln DOHC and the Jag. Personally, I think that was one of the tactical mistakes that Ford made, that the LS wasn't more like other Lincolns and less like the Jag S. A Lincoln 4.6 DOHC and a real driveshaft instead of the Jag C copy that was easy to misinstall after having the trans out. That is they should have let Lincoln be Lincoln instead of trying to copy a Jag in far too many details. That hydraulic engine cooling fan was really nuts. Instead of letting Lincoln be Lincoln, they have allowed it to slip to something more equivalent to a Buick. Hydraulic Engine Cooling Fan. I had a 1992 Toyota Camry V6 SE with Manual Transmission, with the Hydraulic Engine Cooling Fan. I don't agree with you, as I thought that was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It ran off the Power Steering pump and fluid. You could watch it speed up and slow down. Don't know if the system on the Lincoln LS operated the same, but this one on the Toyota operated great. (and here I thought that Toyota was the only one to ever have this system). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Jim Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 The LS only used it one year. I don't know about the Jag. If memory serves me well, it had it's own pump. I'm pretty sure I remember two reservoirs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted November 24, 2012 Share Posted November 24, 2012 Hydraulic Engine Cooling Fan. I had a 1992 Toyota Camry V6 SE with Manual Transmission, with the Hydraulic Engine Cooling Fan. I don't agree with you, as I thought that was the greatest thing since sliced bread. It ran off the Power Steering pump and fluid. You could watch it speed up and slow down. Don't know if the system on the Lincoln LS operated the same, but this one on the Toyota operated great. (and here I thought that Toyota was the only one to ever have this system). The hydraulic cooling fan in the LS had its own pump and motor. As the cars age the system has a high failure rate and repairs are very expensive. So I don't think any LS owners who paid for repairs think it's so great. The pump is $582 and the fan/motor is $624. Labor is about 2½ hours @ $100/per. The reason they used this system in the first-gen LS was a limitation of the electrical system. This was remedied in the second-gen and they switched to an electric fan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted November 25, 2012 Share Posted November 25, 2012 They used the hydraulic fan for 00-02 models. They switched away from it with the 2003 refresh. It was really cool - until it broke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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