cccerbeus Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 8/31/2017 at 1:10 PM, akirby said: No way that should cost $9K. You should be able to swap in a used engine for around $2500. A brand new engine should be in the $5K range - $6K max. Yes it's a bad design but that doesn't change the warranty terms nor is it a safety hazard requiring a recall. FWIW, the dealer that did my "diag" quoted me $8800 for an engine installed. I've seen Ford reman engines for $3600 - 5600 (purchase price only, plus $1000 core) but that is an ass raping for installation. Which is why I'll be doing it myself. (whichever route I go) There is no way I'd put a used engine in this car considering the water pump issue and impossibility to do it in car. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDMALSKI Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Had a 2011 Ford Fusion Sport with 82K we bought new, dealer serviced since day one. The water pump failed Jan 2018 leaking coolant into the oil and took out the engine. The dealer service adviser said had never seen anything like that before. I was told Ford did not make a replacement engine only more and the only repair option was to put in a used motor from salvage yard for $5,000. Other than that the car was prefect, but ended up salvaging it and buying a new car. At the time I chalked it up to bad luck, took the financial hit and moved on with life. Recently I have heard a number of similar stories with the 3.5 Duratec engine failing. I googled search and found a lot more similar posts. At what point it is not just bad luck, but poor design that Ford will step up to help owners? It may be too late for me to benefit, but for many $5,000 or $7,000 repair would be a financial burden. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Of course it’s poor design. But it was the only way they could get the 3.5L to fit sideways. On the F150 and Mustang duratec v6s the water pump is external. But it doesn’t matter whether it’s a bad design or bad manufacturing - a defect is a defect and the warranty is the same. The only time it’s different is if it’s a safety recall mandated by the gov’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccerbeus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 well bite my tongue.. i did find a junkyard engine from a 2012 MKZ with low miles for $500 and bought a mid rise scissor lift to do the job. Put a new pump and chain in the new-to-me engine, threw it all back together, beed driving it for 4000 miles now and just sold the lift. So all told, it cost me about $1000 (engine, parts, and loss on lift resale) plus my time to put it back in working order. Half tempted to take it to the dealership and show them the difference a reasonable cost and the raping they wanted to give me. I had forgotten how much i like this car after it sat for 6 months+.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangster Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Awesome job! Seems like a relatively clean car, and similar to mine in color and AWDness but better equipped. I am dreading anything like that happening to mine. Sourcing a decent used transverse 3.5 doesn't seem all that easy. The coolant hadn't been changed in mine in the first 107k miles, I did it, and will do it with more frequency to be sure I don't introduce any failures if I can help it. This is my main concern with the Sport and MKZ versus the 3.0 powered car. EPAS versus internal water pump, it was difficult but I had my heart set on a 2010-2012. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccerbeus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 33 minutes ago, bangster said: Awesome job! Seems like a relatively clean car, and similar to mine in color and AWDness but better equipped. I am dreading anything like that happening to mine. Sourcing a decent used transverse 3.5 doesn't seem all that easy. The coolant hadn't been changed in mine in the first 107k miles, I did it, and will do it with more frequency to be sure I don't introduce any failures if I can help it. This is my main concern with the Sport and MKZ versus the 3.0 powered car. EPAS versus internal water pump, it was difficult but I had my heart set on a 2010-2012. http://car-part.com/ is my go to site for used parts. it searches all connected salvage yards and rates parts by grading, distance, price whatever you want. I did a quick search, there are over a dozen engines in reasonable distance from me for under $600.. Keep an eye on the weep hole behind the alternator for signs of failure. Its a very solid engine, water pump accessibility notwithstanding.. almost want to give it a NOS shot for fun.. but i won't Edited October 21, 2018 by cccerbeus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Kudos to you! Most would not undertake this as a DIY job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twiggy144 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Fantastic ! Congrats for your perseverance, initiative, creativity and good work! I wish I had a double garage to undertake such projects! Question: what were the pro's and con's of removing the engine from under the car , versus from the top ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccerbeus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, drolds1 said: Kudos to you! Most would not undertake this as a DIY job. To be fair, I am a mechanic by profession.. so I'm a bit more familiar with diving into unknown jobs than most 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccerbeus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, twiggy144 said: Fantastic ! Congrats for your perseverance, initiative, creativity and good work! I wish I had a double garage to undertake such projects! Question: what were the pro's and con's of removing the engine from under the car , versus from the top ? I don't actually have a garage at all.. that is my bud's garage. The lower access requires a lift, so that's a major con, but it's the only way recommended to do the job. Really a lot easier than I expected and if I had to do it again I could probably do it in half the time it took the first time. I bought and Eagle Equipment mid rise scissor lift from Amazon for 1775$, sold it again for 1500 after using it, so minimal cost there. Still end up needing a hoist to move the old engine off the cradle and the new one in place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, cccerbeus said: To be fair, I am a mechanic by profession.. so I'm a bit more familiar with diving into unknown jobs than most Ah. Well, that does help. Still a big job at home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccerbeus Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 16 minutes ago, drolds1 said: Ah. Well, that does help. Still a big job at home. You're telling me! LOL 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cccerbeus Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 On 11/1/2017 at 12:25 PM, cccerbeus said: FWIW, the dealer that did my "diag" quoted me $8800 for an engine installed. I've seen Ford reman engines for $3600 - 5600 (purchase price only, plus $1000 core) but that is an ass raping for installation. Which is why I'll be doing it myself. (whichever route I go) There is no way I'd put a used engine in this car considering the water pump issue and impossibility to do it in car. Just thought i should acknowledge that this statement that i made, quoted above was obviously short sighted and ultimately not true. I did use a used engine, but replaced the water pump with an ACDelco pump with a steel impeller instead of using the ford pump with a plastic impeller. The first motocraft pump that showed up had apparently been used in a distance parts toss competition pre-sale, and was broken on arrival which was a large part of why i said screw that and used a steel impeller pump instead, along with a new chain, tensioner and guides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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