Has Anyone done a water pump on a 2011 Sport?

[cccerbeus]

I need to do this job. 

Every reference i've seen says drop the engine out to do it.

I'm just wondering if anyone has done the job any other way?

[indifferent]

No work around for that.

[cccerbeus]

I forgot I had posted this here.

A couple people have claimed that they've done the job through topside access in a FB group. That's how I plan to do it.

I'd love to leave the transmission in place and just pull the engine & drop in the new one, but it doesn't look likely that the flywheel will clear the bellhousing without the trans being pushed an inch to the drivers side.

 

It's an engineering nightmare.

[Darrenthomas]

On 11/4/2017 at 9:25 AM, cccerbeus said:

I need to do this job. 

Every reference i've seen says drop the engine out to do it.

I'm just wondering if anyone has done the job any other way?

I needed this on my 2012. Didn't do it myself but it's an expensive, labor intensive job. Was quoted 1700 by 2 major repair shops who both turned down the job after researching the procedure. Was quoted 3600 at Ford! In the end found a Ford mechanic who did it for a reasonable cost. Yes the motor has to drop because the pump is entwined in the build of the motor. Why do this?

[Darrenthomas]

I needed this on my 2012. Didn't do it myself but it's an expensive, labor intensive job. Was quoted 1700 by 2 major repair shops who both turned down the job after researching the procedure. Was quoted 3600 at Ford! In the end found a Ford mechanic who did it for a reasonable price. Yes the motor has to drop because the pump is entwined in the build of the motor. Why do these companies do this? 

Edited June 19, 2018 by Darrenthomas
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[cccerbeus]

I'm on the tail end of doing this job myself.

Bought a 6000lb scissor lift to do the job.

Bought a 2012 MKZ engine, put a new water pump and chain in it. I'm a couple hours from fire-up.

[cccerbeus]

And it runs, thankfully. Always a crapshoot on a used engine,  even if you do leakdown test it, and replace the timing components & water pump. 

[cccerbeus]

On 6/19/2018 at 5:59 PM, Darrenthomas said:

I needed this on my 2012. Didn't do it myself but it's an expensive, labor intensive job. Was quoted 1700 by 2 major repair shops who both turned down the job after researching the procedure. Was quoted 3600 at Ford! In the end found a Ford mechanic who did it for a reasonable price. Yes the motor has to drop because the pump is entwined in the build of the motor. Why do these companies do this? 

I'd say maybe just bad design, but maybe it was intentional to allow dealerships to make some real money again.

Either way, its bad policy to put a wear item in such an unserviceable location, especially when it is an item whose failure destroys the engine..

 

my question now is, do i keep the old engine, do a forensic tear down looking for cam bearing cap wear or rod / main bearing or crank journal damage that would this an unusable engine to re-pump and shelve for a future usage.

 

And of course then, I also need to figure out what to do with my scissor lift and hoist and engine stand..

 

[cccerbeus]

Some pictures from the job

 

[andyross]

Does the 3.0L in the non-Sport require such extreme labor? Maybe it's just because the 3.5L wasn't really designed to be shoehorned into the Fusion.

[bangster]

The water pump on the 3.0 is externally accessible, it isn't behind the timing cover. I don't know if it can be done any easier but I assume it can be.

[cccerbeus]

36 minutes ago, bangster said:

The water pump on the 3.0 is externally accessible, it isn't behind the timing cover. I don't know if it can be done any easier but I assume it can be.

This. 

[akirby]

I love how people assume bad intentions from the mfr.   In this case the external water pump simply didn’t fit when turning the 3.5L and 3.7L engines sideways.   On the F150 and Mustang they are/were external because there is plenty of room.

[cccerbeus]

9 minutes ago, akirby said:

I love how people assume bad intentions from the mfr.   In this case the external water pump simply didn’t fit when turning the 3.5L and 3.7L engines sideways.   On the F150 and Mustang they are/were external because there is plenty of room.

But on the edge, where there was a good bit more room, the pump was still internal. And I may be mistaken, but I was told that the f150s with a duratec 3.5 in the same production window as these (2010-2014 about) had the same internal water pump design. 

Either way, I'm not even saying that is bad or malicious intentions , just business. Timing belts are still fairly common with some manufacturers and they can be a half a nightmare depending on the driveline / body design considerations. 

[akirby]

There may or may not be enough room in the Edge but even if there is they wouldn’t want to do two different versions of a FWD 3.5L.   And I’m almost positive the RWD Duratecs are all external.