A whole mess of problems!!

[SeaSir]

There is alot here I wrote that may be irrelevant but Im a writer and I don't feel like deleting what I have written but here is an update.  You can skip the following NOVEL and scroll to the bottom with all the problems I have now.  Thanks for your help. 

 

SKIP to Bottom if you don't have time to read my story ?

 

 

 

Hey Everyone so here is my story from the past 30 days in which I purchased a used 2013 Fusion Titanium Ecoboost 2 wd .   So everything was great about it besides some body damage which I could fix myself and besides some minor cosmetic fixups it was pretty clean and I asked if there was any other problems?  Dealer said no problems.  Well.......I get in the car right away and I never had a remote start car with this kind of key fob so get what I do right off the bat as Im messing with the car learning the ins and outs.......it asks me if I wanted to make a MyKey and I thought to myself......it IS my KEY.....so yeah why not.......Ill give you all three guesses as to the result of that issue.  Now I have all these damn restrictions and can't go over 80 and the stereo won't play and I go back to the dealer and he says only one key and he can't help me.  I go to ford dealer and I have to not only pay 150 for programming the key but I have to have another key as well and that altogether gonna cost me 300 and I remind you I paid cash for the car so around 5500 sounded good to me but that put a damper in my budget considering the purpose I needed it was to get back to work as I commute every two weeks and well the money would get replaced by going to work.  I think NAH I don't NEED the stereo I hooked up some regular subwoofer and speakers to a converter powered stereo I put in the trunk for now.  Gotta improvise til that first paycheck......and no where in Texas does the speed limit exceed 80 mph so I figured I wouldn't have to worry about getting pulled over cause I tend to go a wee bit faster than every speed limit sign.  so I let it go for a while.  I let my fiancee drive it for the first time and then the problems started in waves.  first she calls me to tell me the car won't start it says key not detected and then send me photos of the sun visor saying that smoke was coming from it and so she removed it.  I look up quick resolution and it said to put key fob in center console slot.  It starts and she comes home.  Not only does the key fob not unlock my doors or functions at all even after replacing the battery but my windows won't roll down *****except....EXCEPT....when I turn the car off and with my foot off the brake I press the start button.....and then with the engine still off I press on the brake I can then roll down the back and front driver side and only the passenger can do the same on his side.  And not to mention that the center display wont come on my over head sunroof won't work and with all said and done it being winter I have no climate control ac or heater functions.  But the key fob works when I set it in the center console.  NOW......I was driving my car and all of a sudden the engine dies on me in the intersection of a street about 530 am temperatures at freezing and Im like now what!!    Well I come to complete stop and then put it in park and pust the start button and it starts and I press on the gas and it goes just enough to get out of the intersection and off to the side on the curb where there are NO no parking signs and Im more than 20 feet from the corner and its a two lane street.  Well an hour of freezing before my fiance wakes up and I have a friend come by to jump it and well I needed a brand new battery yet its too early and the stores are all closed and even walmart.  SO I think that my car is fine where it is until I get what I need and not an hour goes by that I get a feeling to call the taco bell across the street from my car to make sure its alright and he tells me its not there......BS......so he goes outside and confirms.  I am like WTF and I call city PD and yes the had it towed deemed it abandoned and impeding the flow of traffic I explain what had happened and it didn't matter the Impound was charging me 250 to get my car out and the PD would do a damn thing about it.  I spent 400 dollars to get my car out and a new battery which only fixed the car from dying on me.  All other problems still intact and now I can't afford to go to work to make the money I need for all these damn repairs and the GOSH DANG CITY stole my care and held it for ransom.  Im a service connected disabled veteran and THIS CITY NEEDS NEW LEADERS>..............Bunch of extortionists.  Anyways I don't know what to do.

 

 

 

 

I got an obd2link cable and hooked it up to my laptop and installed ForScan ( is it just me or does anyone else feel like cracking a Gentile joke??)  I got all of the DT error codes and there were many short circuit to ground errors and open cirtcuit errors.  All relating more or less to the BCM.  I am learning as I go but I am a good learner and follow instructions so I will post some photos of these codes.

Edited January 17, 2021 by SeaSir

[bbf2530]

On 12/9/2020 at 11:10 PM, SeaSir said:

Hey Everyone so here is my story from the past 30 days in which I purchased a used 2013 Fusion Titanium Ecoboost 2 wd .   So everything was great about it besides some body damage which I could fix myself and besides some minor cosmetic fixups it was pretty clean and I asked if there was any other problems?  Dealer said no problems.  Well.......I get in the car right away and I never had a remote start car with this kind of key fob so get what I do right off the bat as Im messing with the car learning the ins and outs.......it asks me if I wanted to make a MyKey and I thought to myself......it IS my KEY.....so yeah why not.......Ill give you all three guesses as to the result of that issue.  Now I have all these damn restrictions and can't go over 80 and the stereo won't play and I go back to the dealer and he says only one key and he can't help me.  I go to ford dealer and I have to not only pay 150 for programming the key but I have to have another key as well and that altogether gonna cost me 300 and I remind you I paid cash for the car so around 5500 sounded good to me but that put a damper in my budget considering the purpose I needed it was to get back to work as I commute every two weeks and well the money would get replaced by going to work.  I think NAH I don't NEED the stereo I hooked up some regular subwoofer and speakers to a converter powered stereo I put in the trunk for now.  Gotta improvise til that first paycheck......and no where in Texas does the speed limit exceed 80 mph so I figured I wouldn't have to worry about getting pulled over cause I tend to go a wee bit faster than every speed limit sign.  so I let it go for a while.  I let my fiancee drive it for the first time and then the problems started in waves.  first she calls me to tell me the car won't start it says key not detected and then send me photos of the sun visor saying that smoke was coming from it and so she removed it.  I look up quick resolution and it said to put key fob in center console slot.  It starts and she comes home.  Not only does the key fob not unlock my doors or functions at all even after replacing the battery but my windows won't roll down *****except....EXCEPT....when I turn the car off and with my foot off the brake I press the start button.....and then with the engine still off I press on the brake I can then roll down the back and front driver side and only the passenger can do the same on his side.  And not to mention that the center display wont come on my over head sunroof won't work and with all said and done it being winter I have no climate control ac or heater functions.  But the key fob works when I set it in the center console.  NOW......I was driving my car and all of a sudden the engine dies on me in the intersection of a street about 530 am temperatures at freezing and Im like now what!!    Well I come to complete stop and then put it in park and pust the start button and it starts and I press on the gas and it goes just enough to get out of the intersection and off to the side on the curb where there are NO no parking signs and Im more than 20 feet from the corner and its a two lane street.  Well an hour of freezing before my fiance wakes up and I have a friend come by to jump it and well I needed a brand new battery yet its too early and the stores are all closed and even walmart.  SO I think that my car is fine where it is until I get what I need and not an hour goes by that I get a feeling to call the taco bell across the street from my car to make sure its alright and he tells me its not there......BS......so he goes outside and confirms.  I am like WTF and I call city PD and yes the had it towed deemed it abandoned and impeding the flow of traffic I explain what had happened and it didn't matter the Impound was charging me 250 to get my car out and the PD would do a damn thing about it.  I spent 400 dollars to get my car out and a new battery which only fixed the car from dying on me.  All other problems still intact and now I can't afford to go to work to make the money I need for all these damn repairs and the GOSH DANG CITY stole my care and held it for ransom.  Im a service connected disabled veteran and THIS CITY NEEDS NEW LEADERS>..............Bunch of extortionists.  Anyways I don't know what to do.

 

 

Hi Seasir. Welcome to the Ford Fusion Forum and sorry to hear about your issues. The battery replacement may cure many of those issues, since a failing battery can cause many gremlins in modern vehicles.

 

Here is my advice. It seems you were sold a car with a lot of issues. Perhaps what some would describe as a "problem car". And if the sun visor was "smoking" then at least some of those car problems may be related to the vehicle electrical systems. And those issues have now caused you other issues with your city and police department.

 

So first, I would recommend you contact the selling dealer (a Ford Dealer?) about all the issues and see if you can have anything taken care of by them.

 

Next, contact the Ford dealer who sold you the second key and programmed both, about the key issues.

 

Finally, would you please go back and create a few logical paragraph breaks out of your story. I understand you know what you are trying to say, but for us Internet strangers, it is difficult to read as one big block of words. And some fellow forum members will just not bother to read it when it is that difficult. And the ones who won't bother to read may be the ones who can help you most.

 

Just click "Edit" at the bottom of the post.

 

Let us know how you make out and good luck.

Edited January 18, 2021 by bbf2530

[SeaSir]

On 12/10/2020 at 9:28 AM, bbf2530 said:

 

 

Hi Seasir. Welcome to the Ford Fusion Forum and sorry to hear about your issues. The battery replacement may cure many of those issues, since a failing battery can cause many gremlins in modern vehicles.

 

Here is my advice. It seems you were sole a car with a lot of issues. Perhaps what some would describe as a "problem car". And if the sun visor was "smoking" then at least some of those car problems may be related to the vehicle electrical systems. And those issues have now caused you other issues with your city and police department.

 

So first, I would recommend you contact the selling dealer (a Ford Dealer?) about all the issues and see if you can have anything taken care of by them.

 

Next, contact the Ford dealer who sold you the second key and programmed both, about the key issues.

 

Finally, would you please go back and create a few logical paragraph breaks out of your story. I understand you know what you are trying to say, but for us Internet strangers, it is difficult to read as one big block of words. And some fellow forum members will just not bother to read it when it is that difficult. And the ones who won't bother to read may be the ones who can help you most.

 

Just click "Edit" at the bottom of the post.

 

Let us know how you make out and good luck.

thanks yeah I get carried away with details when I write but they are to the tee.  I did want to point out though that I didn't hook up the subwoofer til after the visor issue.  I did replace the battery and it took care of the dying randomly so from trial and error and I hope to god it is not the case that I have to replace the BCM if there was a way to know for sure before I spend more money than we have.

 

 

[SeaSir]

[SeaSir]

I got an obd2link cable and hooked it up to my laptop and installed ForScan ( is it just me or does anyone else feel like cracking a Gentile joke??)  I got all of the DT error codes and there were many short circuit to ground errors and open cirtcuit errors.  All relating more or less to the BCM.  I am learning as I go but I am a good learner and follow instructions so I will post some photos of these codes.

[FXT]

So what I gather from reading your initial post is that you accidentally made the only key you were sold with the car a MyKey which limited its functions.

Because you didnt have a second "master" key you couldnt remove the MyKey limitations so the Ford dealer sold you a second key.

 

When you say " I hooked up some regular subwoofer and speakers to a converter powered stereo I put in the trunk for now", did you tap into the car wiring somewhere?

 

THe images you have provided are to small to distinguish what errors forscan is reporting. We need better images or ALL the details to be typed out to even start moving forward.

 

Sorry for your issues

[SeaSir]

2 hours ago, FXT said:

So what I gather from reading your initial post is that you accidentally made the only key you were sold with the car a MyKey which limited its functions.

Because you didnt have a second "master" key you couldnt remove the MyKey limitations so the Ford dealer sold you a second key.

 

When you say " I hooked up some regular subwoofer and speakers to a converter powered stereo I put in the trunk for now", did you tap into the car wiring somewhere?

 

THe images you have provided are to small to distinguish what errors forscan is reporting. We need better images or ALL the details to be typed out to even start moving forward.

 

Sorry for your issues

I got an obd2link cable and hooked it up to my laptop and installed ForScan ( is it just me or does anyone else feel like cracking a Gentile joke??)  I got all of the DT error codes and there were many short circuit to ground errors and open cirtcuit errors.  All relating more or less to the BCM.  I am learning as I go but I am a good learner and follow instructions so I will post some photos of these codes.

 

 

 

 

I apologize about that I think I have attached proper photos.  The mykey is no longer an issue I got another key fob so I have two admin keys only however I got a no key detected, on both and the locksmith said he couldnt program thne and had an electrical problem so I have to put fob in pocket slot in console.  on roof, no touch screen, I have a TPSM error on dash but ford dealer said they will relearn the sensors for me for free.  No window control unless Im in park and start the car with foot on brake if I take foot off brake after start car no window control.......foot on brake window control however driver side only works driver side front and rear window.....will not roll passenger side front and rear windows but the passenger side has control of passenger side front and rear REMIND you ONLY if my foot is still on the brake.  When I begin driving total loss of window control.  If they are down I have to stop...park...turn of engine...turn on engine and do the same thing over.....as for the doors I have no remote capabilites to lock or manual capabilies to lock them but all doors lock after I park and leave the car in park EXCEPT driver door it stays unlocked always.  As for the subwoofer and speakers I used a converter plugged into the cigarette lighter plugs which inside the console works and the one behind the console but the one underneath the touch screen is inoperable. no climate control or radio.  No heated seats.  But I can put gas in it and get to point a and b and c and back again just minus all of the luxury accessories for which I bought the car for anyways.  And with it being winter I can't commute in these temperatures.  I feel as if someone sabotaged me.....but thats paranoia......and yet so feels like it was complete sabotage.  so I will be willing to pay anyone who helps me resolve this on cash app or chime or venmo or paypal.  

 

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[SeaSir]

[SeaSir]

[FXT]

With so many issues coming up the first thing I would do is try to clear the DTCs in ForScan, but firstly write (or keep somewhere) reference data so if some or all or none clear you can cross check.

In my experience some errors are related to the modules talking to each other. For instance, when my PSCM failed, so did the ABS and PAM modules. This was purely a chain of events and fixing the PSCM allowed the other modules to then get the required data from the chain.

I do not know what talks to what and in which direction so you are on your own with that.

Try clearing them and see what happens (the ! triangle with the power icon, second from left in your image)

 

EDIT: Also, if your visor wore power is the way it is maybe there is issues with the wiring beyond what you can see. I bet the BdyCM (Body Control Module) is what controls it and maybe that is where your short is?

Edited January 20, 2021 by FXT

[SeaSir]

Thanks for your reply viewed the visor wires more thouroughly and yes something got them so hot that it burned and melted at of the insulation on the wire down to the bcm Im tearing it up as we speak 

 

[SeaSir]

what I need is to be directed to a good website I can pay for a full service and repair w/ wiring diagrams the full enchilada that can be downloaded for a price and don't tell me eManualonline.com cause they ripped me off for 30 bucks

 

[Audiophile14Fusion]

On 1/18/2021 at 12:28 AM, SeaSir said:

I got an obd2link cable and hooked it up to my laptop and installed ForScan ( is it just me or does anyone else feel like cracking a Gentile joke??)  I got all of the DT error codes and there were many short circuit to ground errors and open cirtcuit errors.  All relating more or less to the BCM.  I am learning as I go but I am a good learner and follow instructions so I will post some photos of these codes.

 

 

 

 

I apologize about that I think I have attached proper photos.  The mykey is no longer an issue I got another key fob so I have two admin keys only however I got a no key detected, on both and the locksmith said he couldnt program thne and had an electrical problem so I have to put fob in pocket slot in console.  on roof, no touch screen, I have a TPSM error on dash but ford dealer said they will relearn the sensors for me for free.  No window control unless Im in park and start the car with foot on brake if I take foot off brake after start car no window control.......foot on brake window control however driver side only works driver side front and rear window.....will not roll passenger side front and rear windows but the passenger side has control of passenger side front and rear REMIND you ONLY if my foot is still on the brake.  When I begin driving total loss of window control.  If they are down I have to stop...park...turn of engine...turn on engine and do the same thing over.....as for the doors I have no remote capabilites to lock or manual capabilies to lock them but all doors lock after I park and leave the car in park EXCEPT driver door it stays unlocked always.  As for the subwoofer and speakers I used a converter plugged into the cigarette lighter plugs which inside the console works and the one behind the console but the one underneath the touch screen is inoperable. no climate control or radio.  No heated seats.  But I can put gas in it and get to point a and b and c and back again just minus all of the luxury accessories for which I bought the car for anyways.  And with it being winter I can't commute in these temperatures.  I feel as if someone sabotaged me.....but thats paranoia......and yet so feels like it was complete sabotage.  so I will be willing to pay anyone who helps me resolve this on cash app or chime or venmo or paypal.  

 

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I actually work at an alternator shop on the weekends doing powder coat and such we build some of the best quality alternators out there. You putting a power inverter in the car, on top of cheap amplifiers that aren't very efficient there's a lot of loss generated to heat that's what pulled your battery down that's what beat up your alternator.

 

I cannot fathom for Life me someone throwing a power inverter and an entire kit with mids and highs and a subwoofer amplifiers and everything in the car that just is honestly it's childish.

 

Not trying to diss you but the least important thing of the vehicle you focused mainly on and this is what happens because of it.

 

you really don't want to start messing with charging systems in these new cars unless you have a thorough understanding of how everything works

[Audiophile14Fusion]

On 1/29/2021 at 6:38 PM, SeaSir said:

Thanks for your reply viewed the visor wires more thouroughly and yes something got them so hot that it burned and melted at of the insulation on the wire down to the bcm Im tearing it up as we speak 

 

What for them hot was low voltage. Low voltage equals over current. Loads demand more current when voltage is low. Wires are rated for 12.5-14.8 volts. 

[SeaSir]

To audiophile I understand what you would think about it but the inverter was after these problems and any push the inverter breaker would pop and the only time it would do that is if the volume was turned up too high but ever since the visor short which I have fixed by the way I don’t plug anything in to anything Dave a phone charger.  Now that all of my electrical dt problems are over with I have moon roof and windows and dome lights but I have new errors and just need some guidance I replaced 4 fuses because the bcm didn’t even have the 1-23 fuse and 32 fuse was blown on a 10a and any new fuse I put would pop so I put a 20 in and it stayed for a minute and later I tried another 10 and it didn’t pop.   Here are my new problems

[SeaSir]

What is that Video cable to? It was just freely hanging I was assuming it’s in case you want to switch out you cd deck.  And the codes are all new

[SeaSir]

Tire pressure sensor fault won’t clear and Ford couldn’t relearn them so I’m stuck on that so there are only 3 bcm codes now and 2 Ipc which I’m working on the locations of those to gps modules now.  

[SeaSir]

Just now, SeaSir said:

Tire pressure sensor fault won’t clear and Ford couldn’t relearn them so I’m stuck on that so there are only 3 bcm codes now and 2 Ipc which I’m working on the locations of those to gps modules now.  

 

6 hours ago, Audiophile14Fusion said:

What for them hot was low voltage. Low voltage equals over current. Loads demand more current when voltage is low. Wires are rated for 12.5-14.8 volts. 

Dunno ?‍♂️ 
 

 

I got codes U0424:82-0A IPC code

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