Why so little HP?

[pkvir]

How can Toyota and Nissan get 300+ HP out of their 3.5's and Ford get 263HP? In addition, the MPG of the Lexus IS 350 is 1-2 mpg better than the Sport.

 

I am not complaining about my Sport, as I think it is a great car, but would be better with 300HP.

[Rodeo]

Ford could likely do it but you'd have to pay a price closer to the Lexus as well and Ford did not develope the Fusion to compete with any Lexus. The Fusion is a Camry / Accord fighter.

[rfruth]

According to cars.com (see screenshot if need be) the 2010 Camry is close to the Sport, the Accord does a little better but its a few grand more - (which Nissan ?)

 

 

[pkvir]

(which Nissan ?)

 

 

The 07 G 35

[rfruth]

The G35 starts at 33.5 K ...

[pkvir]

Ford could likely do it but you'd have to pay a price closer to the Lexus as well and Ford did not develope the Fusion to compete with any Lexus. The Fusion is a Camry / Accord fighter.

 

I agree with you , but why not put a little juice in the Sport model? I do not think the Camry or Accord has a dedicated "Sport"model.

[FtLewis2002]

With proper gearing, that 263hp can beat a 300+hp one that's geared wrong...Doubt they are, but If they are geared wrong... Ford has ALWAYS had lower hp than the competitors, but a better build for the last 10 years.

 

Look at the F150. BEST truck made, and lowest hp rating...Badass trucks though!!

[akirby]

There isn't as much of a difference in the torque rating - 249 vs. 262. They typically get higher hp by tuning the engine for high RPM performance rather than low RPM (torque). Higher revving engines can produce more hp from the same amount of torque.

[Rodeo]

There isn't as much of a difference in the torque rating - 249 vs. 262.

 

I don't know about that. I feel anything over 10 is certainly notable and worth mentioning. That right there is 13 foot pounds difference. Yea it's not huge but 13 will make a difference. For instance that could make the AWD version of a vehicle "perform" like it was the FWD vehicle instead, making up for the losses associated with AWD's drivetrain. Again, this is my opinion.

[akirby]

I don't know about that. I feel anything over 10 is certainly notable and worth mentioning. That right there is 13 foot pounds difference. Yea it's not huge but 13 will make a difference. For instance that could make the AWD version of a vehicle "perform" like it was the FWD vehicle instead, making up for the losses associated with AWD's drivetrain. Again, this is my opinion.

 

I meant 13 wasn't nearly as much as the 40 hp difference. If Ford ran all the expensive goodies that Infiniti runs then they could match the torque. But Ford tunes most of their engines for low rpm performance, not high rpm.

[more.hp]

I meant 13 wasn't nearly as much as the 40 hp difference. If Ford ran all the expensive goodies that Infiniti runs then they could match the torque. But Ford tunes most of their engines for low rpm performance, not high rpm.

 

One other point you guys may want to look at is the power to weight ratio. I am having trouble finding it so maybe you guys can help me.

[Spectre]

To me the HP seems pretty descent. Of courser I can always use more , however it isn't one of my complaints.

 

I actually would have liked it better if Ford had tuned their transmission a little more sportier. To me, it seems like under moderate acceleration, the trans shifts way too soon. I can just feel the power starting to kick in and the car up-shifts. Of course if you floor it, it isn't a problem, but of course I don't want to floor it all the time.

 

I could understand if I was just driving normal it would up shift often to conserve fuel, but if you want to lay it on a bit, I wish it would wait to up-shift. If the car waited about 500 to 1000 RPMs longer, I would be happy.

 

P.S. I know I could hold the shift with the sport shift option, but lets face it, that sport shift is more of a novelty then anything else.

[akirby]

P.S. I know I could hold the shift with the sport shift option, but lets face it, that sport shift is more of a novelty then anything else.

 

So the selectshift gives you the ability you want but it's just a novelty? Doesn't that seem like a contradiction?

[more.hp]

So the selectshift gives you the ability you want but it's just a novelty? Doesn't that seem like a contradiction?

 

If select shift is just a novelty than why would a company like farrari use the same concept in there paddle shift. It may not be exactly the same but the technology is similar.

Also its a four door sedan with some extra fun added in and you may be able to get that extra HP from a chip. It's only a matter of time before one comes out.

[bartman1]

How can Toyota and Nissan get 300+ HP out of their 3.5's and Ford get 263HP? In addition, the MPG of the Lexus IS 350 is 1-2 mpg better than the Sport.

 

I am not complaining about my Sport, as I think it is a great car, but would be better with 300HP.

Ford gets 360 + hp out of the 3.5 in the Taurus SHO. That's "world's best" for a production car. Take that, Toyota!

[akirby]

If select shift is just a novelty than why would a company like farrari use the same concept in there paddle shift. It may not be exactly the same but the technology is similar.

Also its a four door sedan with some extra fun added in and you may be able to get that extra HP from a chip. It's only a matter of time before one comes out.

 

To be clear - selectshift is NOT a substitute for a manual transmission. Never will be. It's just a way to get more control over an automatic transmission so you control the shifts, not the computer. This is most useful for holding a gear longer than normal (blasting through the twisties e.g.) or for upshifting sooner than normal for better fuel economy. For these things it works very well. Some people think you're supposed to use it all the time and shift it like a manual - which you can do but that's not how it gets used.

[Spectre]

To be clear - selectshift is NOT a substitute for a manual transmission. Never will be. It's just a way to get more control over an automatic transmission so you control the shifts, not the computer. This is most useful for holding a gear longer than normal (blasting through the twisties e.g.) or for upshifting sooner than normal for better fuel economy. For these things it works very well. Some people think you're supposed to use it all the time and shift it like a manual - which you can do but that's not how it gets used.

 

I pretty much agree with Akirby. It helps hold gears a bit longer.

 

I just feel it is a novelty because I have driven MANY manual trans cars, and actual shifting is far better when it comes to control. Although the selectshift on the fusion is decent, it still isn't as responsive as a manual, plus you cannot skip-shift (you have to go sequentially through gears).

 

Example: In a manual I can down-shift from 6th to 4th on the fly. With the select shift I have to go to 5th and then to 4th, and even then there is a delay each time to wait for the trans to perform the shifts.

 

Basically, it is no substitute for a manual (atleast at this point in time). Maybe in a few years it will be where it needs to be.

[akirby]

I just feel it is a novelty because I have driven MANY manual trans cars, and actual shifting is far better when it comes to control. Although the selectshift on the fusion is decent, it still isn't as responsive as a manual, plus you cannot skip-shift (you have to go sequentially through gears).

 

It would seem like a novelty if you're comparing it to a true manual tranny. But that's not the purpose - it's not a replacement for a true manual. It's just additional control over a conventional automatic transmission.

[avengence]

I actually see a lot of people just keep their cars in D instead of bumping the gears themselves and they net better times at the track. Not sure why, maybe they just aren't sure where to shift but it usually works better just keeping it in D.

 

As the stuff about HP goes, don't forget about weight. Every 100 lbs is a tenth of a second at the track. Im not sure what both cars weight though. Anyway, Ford has never been known to put out big HP and big weight, that's why I own a Mustang and not a Camaro.

[akirby]

I actually see a lot of people just keep their cars in D instead of bumping the gears themselves and they net better times at the track. Not sure why, maybe they just aren't sure where to shift but it usually works better just keeping it in D.

 

As the stuff about HP goes, don't forget about weight. Every 100 lbs is a tenth of a second at the track. Im not sure what both cars weight though. Anyway, Ford has never been known to put out big HP and big weight, that's why I own a Mustang and not a Camaro.

 

We had this discussion when selectshift debuted in 1999 on the 2000 Lincoln LS. It's faster just to leave it in D and floor it. The shift points are already programmed for max performance at WOT.

[Dyoct]

Good question. I mean c'mon Ford, four cylinder CIVICS are quicker than four banger Fusions...

[trevor]

hello , do these performancechips work with no effort, or is it junk.

if someone could please let me know.

 

i have an 06 se 4cyl and its in need of more speed, but i dont want to do much tricky,

these are the performance chips i was looking at

http://www.performancechipsdirect.com/Ford/Fusion/

http://www.engineperformancechip.com/ford-...nce-chip-x2-p-8

thank you

[bbf2530]

hello , do these performancechips work with no effort, or is it junk.

if someone could please let me know.

 

i have an 06 se 4cyl and its in need of more speed, but i dont want to do much tricky,

these are the performance chips i was looking at

http://www.performancechipsdirect.com/Ford/Fusion/

http://www.engineperformancechip.com/ford-...nce-chip-x2-p-8

thank you

 

Hi trevor. :D They are junk.

 

And contrary to what the websites may state, if you should have engine trouble after using those chips and the Dealer or Ford discover you used it, they can deny your Warranty claim.

 

Save your money.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

[FtLewis2002]

hello , do these performancechips work with no effort, or is it junk.

if someone could please let me know.

 

i have an 06 se 4cyl and its in need of more speed, but i dont want to do much tricky,

these are the performance chips i was looking at

http://www.performancechipsdirect.com/Ford/Fusion/

http://www.engineperformancechip.com/ford-...nce-chip-x2-p-8

thank you

 

ALL chips are junk. I bought an Edge Evolution ($500.00) for my 2008 F150 and it didn't make a fuckold bit of difference in hp OR torque on the dyno, even on Level III. All it did was change my xmsn shift points, which made it *feel* a little more ballsy. Steeda makes a lot of claims about their chips too, which are actually SCT chips with a Steeda tune. SCT is another one that's junk on the trucks.

 

I like the claims of the diesel chips. "600hp" but if you read the fine print it says you have to change the fuel pump, (Cummins applications) injectors, turbo's, intake and exhaust to get those gains. All the chip does is change the timing so they belch smoke since they didn't change the aforementioned. They set the chip to 600hp and believe it.

[akirby]

Good question. I mean c'mon Ford, four cylinder CIVICS are quicker than four banger Fusions...

 

They're also smaller and lighter.