geopilot Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 (edited) There's a seller on ebay offering a 2010 Ford Fusion Hybrid service manual on DVD- looks pretty extensive, requires 9GB to install. Anybody bought a manual from seller skinnyarch ? Search for item 150408353005 or by the seller. I'm not affiliated in anyway, just wondering if these are legit? Edited July 17, 2010 by geopilot 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonoreTn Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Do you have a web address? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Yes, he's talking about e-Bay. Looks like the same cd's that Helm sells. I didn't check Helm's prices. I suspect that more will pop up on e-bay as the closed dealerships start liquidating tools, manuals. parts, etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 I see one for $ 24.95 (buy it now price) and at that price something is wrong ebay motors link 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geopilot Posted January 26, 2010 Author Share Posted January 26, 2010 I see one for $ 24.95 (buy it now price) and at that price something is wrong ebay motors link Yep, that's the one. Seller gets great feedback on all the other CD manuals they sell, just not sure what the source of this material is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamusbleu Posted January 26, 2010 Share Posted January 26, 2010 Yep, that's the one. Seller gets great feedback on all the other CD manuals they sell, just not sure what the source of this material is. Well, I took a flyer and bought it. I'll let you know if it's the real thing when I get it. Unfortunately, I'm now thinking it will probably be 2009 non-hybrid only, but we'll see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oman Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Does make you wonder... There was no 2009 Hybrid. I hate how expensive the real-deal manuals are but if he is just selling illegal copies he should be shut down. Jon Well, I took a flyer and bought it. I'll let you know if it's the real thing when I get it. Unfortunately, I'm now thinking it will probably be 2009 non-hybrid only, but we'll see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogo88 Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Does make you wonder... There was no 2009 Hybrid. I hate how expensive the real-deal manuals are but if he is just selling illegal copies he should be shut down. Jon I just ordered one too. I sent the seller a couple of emails first asking about the hybrid and he said: " Yes, this has all the info you will need on the hybrid." . So we'll see. Dan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seamusbleu Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I got my copy today. It comes on two DVD's. It installs VMware Player and a big database. Pretty painless installation. It definitely covers the 2010 Hybrid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oman Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 If it installs a VM then they must be installing a patch to the DRM. Sounds like theft to me. The online prices for the manuals and all the up-to-the-minute TSBs are not bad and you don't risk getting nasty letters from lawyers. Jon I got my copy today. It comes on two DVD's. It installs VMware Player and a big database. Pretty painless installation. It definitely covers the 2010 Hybrid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acdii Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 This is a legit copy. I bought a service manual from this seller years ago for my 1999 F350. The seller has been around a long time, and if there were any copyright violations, they would have been shutdown long ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geopilot Posted July 17, 2010 Author Share Posted July 17, 2010 Price has dropped to $20 for this DVD manual on ebay- anybody have an update on how good this is? Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimfaxe Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 I have this for the Fusion Hybrid - seems to work well for me. I have not done any major work, but it appears to cover most everything I would want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oman Posted August 2, 2010 Share Posted August 2, 2010 It looks like all the listings were pulled from Ebay. That might be an indicator... Jon I have this for the Fusion Hybrid - seems to work well for me. I have not done any major work, but it appears to cover most everything I would want. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Does the FFH use a 3 phase ac induction (brushless) motor - anyone know ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Does the FFH use a 3 phase ac induction (brushless) motor - anyone know ? Hi rfruth Sort of. They are brushless, but not induction. Permanent magnet rotor and 8 pole stator, driven as motors by a 3 phase inverters - 48 pole pieces. Both motor-generators are similar. -mort 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted August 28, 2010 Share Posted August 28, 2010 (edited) thanks - any idea of the traction motor RPM (0 to 10,000 like the Prius) also is the voltage to the motor(s) constant ((what is it)) & only the amps are varied to increase motor speed as needed or does the voltage level and amps vary ? signed just curious Edited August 28, 2010 by rfruth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 thanks - any idea of the traction motor RPM (0 to 10,000 like the Prius) also is the voltage to the motor(s) constant ((what is it)) & only the amps are varied to increase motor speed as needed or does the voltage level and amps vary ? signed just curious Hi rfruth, I haven't seen information from Ford that describes their drive system in the same detail that is known about the Prius system. I think the traction motor is similar to the Prius. The whole transmission & traction motor is one of those Aisin eCVT units. Ford has published motor specs of 166 lb-ft at 3000 rpm. Pretty much every other hybrid shows maximum torque at 0 rpm. I take this to mean that Ford specified a slightly different rotor design. I've also seen the traction motor spec'd at 6000 rpm as if that was either the maximum rpm or the rpm of maximum power. But remember the battery maximum power output is 35 HP. The battery at full charge is supposed to be 275 volts. But to answer your question, the voltage varies slightly with the load. Motor rpm is set by the frequency of the driving circuit. When the motor is running, the motion of the rotor acts like a generator and produces a voltage in the stator coils called back EMF. At zero load the back EMF is in phase with and almost equal to the driving voltage. This looks like a high resistance to the driving circuit and the current is low. As the load on the shaft increases the back EMF drops and so the current increases. -mort 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lolder Posted August 29, 2010 Share Posted August 29, 2010 The power electronics create 3 phase AC from the variable high voltage DC that the battery module supplies. The motor/generators are synchronous permanent magnet devices. The power in or out is controlled by something called the phase angle and can be varied almost instantaneously by the electronics. The phase angle is the physical difference in degrees between the rotating mechanical parts and rotating magnetic field. The magnetic field is what can be varied quickly. When there is zero phase angle, nothing much is happening. You can change them from motor to generator in an instant and MG1, the transmission control also reverses rotation constantly. MG2, the traction M/G also reverses when backing up. It sounds complicated and it is but it is very elegant. The complicated things are done by the computer and electronics. The mechanical things are simple and straightforward except the motors are state of the art in efficiency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) I hear what must be a small electric motor when in EV mode and its quiet enough to hear it (like in my garage at home) - this motor runs a few seconds then shuts off, my guess is it draws a vacuum (for the power brake booster & hvac vent controls) - does the ICE supply vacuum when its on (like a conventional motor) or does this small electric motor cycle on and off all the time as needed (can you tell from the service manual or do you know) ? -edit- the sound is from under the hood so not the fuel pump (but not totally sure) Edited March 28, 2011 by rfruth 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I hear what must be a small electric motor when in EV mode and its quiet enough to hear it (like in my garage at home) - this motor runs a few seconds then shuts off, my guess is it draws a vacuum (for the power brake booster & hvac vent controls) - does the ICE supply vacuum when its on (like a conventional motor) or does this small electric motor cycle on and off all the time as needed (can you tell from the service manual or do you know) ? Hi rfruth, I think what you are hearing is the auxiliary engine coolant pump. When the ICE is not running the pump circulates coolant through the heater core. It runs for a few seconds and then waits about 30 seconds, depending on the heating requirements of the climate system. It sounds like a pump moving liquid. There is an electric pump to charge the brake booster, but that will only run once between 5 or 10 brakings (use of the friction brakes). It sounds like an electric shaver. It runs about 10 seconds. You can make it run by putting the car in run and stepping on the brake pedal, all the way down, a few times. I'll check the service manual tomorrow to see if engine vacuum ever charges the booster. I would think an Atkinson type engine might not provide a dependable vacuum source for brakes. -mort 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noybman Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 All I see there (ebay) are 2010 and earlier. Nothing specific to the 2011 yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oman Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 (edited) The on/off whirring noise you hear when in EV mode is the vacuum assist pump. Normally the ICE provides vacuum but in EV mode is comes from the electric pump. The brakes are synthesized, they don't normally use vacuum (I can't remember if their mechanical backup system is vacuum assisted - it might be). There are just a few vacuum assisted gizmos. I wonder if they made any changes to the cooling system. I'm pretty sure on my car the electronics cooling pump is always running when the car is on (it is a separate system). There is an auxiliary ICE coolant pump that does go on with the heat if the ICE is not turning so that the heater core continues to receive heat. Since it is summer I assumed you did not have the heat on. I hear what must be a small electric motor when in EV mode and its quiet enough to hear it (like in my garage at home) - this motor runs a few seconds then shuts off, my guess is it draws a vacuum (for the power brake booster & hvac vent controls) - does the ICE supply vacuum when its on (like a conventional motor) or does this small electric motor cycle on and off all the time as needed (can you tell from the service manual or do you know) ? -edit- the sound is from under the hood so not the fuel pump (but not totally sure) Edited May 23, 2011 by Oman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfruth Posted May 24, 2011 Share Posted May 24, 2011 Hey mort & Oman sounds like you're both spot on - I hear the the electronics cooling pump whenever the car is on (very quiet, can't hear it from inside the car under any conditions) then there is the pump for brake booster, it comes on once every now and again (sounds like an electric shaver, I can hear it from inside the car when its real quiet & the car is in EV mode, no fan or radio and window down) runs about 10 seconds then stops. thanks ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFHdriver Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Hey mort & Oman sounds like you're both spot on - I hear the the electronics cooling pump whenever the car is on (very quiet, can't hear it from inside the car under any conditions) then there is the pump for brake booster, it comes on once every now and again (sounds like an electric shaver, I can hear it from inside the car when its real quiet & the car is in EV mode, no fan or radio and window down) runs about 10 seconds then stops. thanks ! One of these days I'll have to turn off my HVAC and listen to all these sounds y'all are hearing and worrying about. lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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