Performance Chip

[Fusion2010Sport]

Has anyone purchased a G-Force performance chip and installed it in a Ford Fusion? If so, Was the installation easy? How much HorsePower did u gain? How much MPG did u gain. On G-force website they claim you can gain up to 60hp and between 4-7 MPG. I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport and wish I could gain more HP. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

[drolds1]

Save your money (and your warranty). If there was a $70 item that could give you 60 more hp and better fuel economy, don't you think it would be installed at the factory?

 

The G-force "chip" is nothing more than a cheap resistor that fools the ECU into thinking that the intake air is colder than it is. This richens the mixture. You could potentially cause engine damage.

 

You know what they say about it sounding too good to be true.

 

See this thread as well.

[bbf2530]

Has anyone purchased a G-Force performance chip and installed it in a Ford Fusion? If so, Was the installation easy? How much HorsePower did u gain? How much MPG did u gain. On G-force website they claim you can gain up to 60hp and between 4-7 MPG. I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport and wish I could gain more HP. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Hi Fusion2010. :D Pay attention to what drolds1 stated.

 

Ford spends millions and millions of dollars to try and make their engines as powerful, fuel efficient and reliable as possible. They spend millions trying to increase fuel economy 1 mpg if possible. Therefore, if a "chip" worth a couple of bucks would give them a 60 horsepower and 4-7 mpg improvement, it would be installed by Ford at the factory, ASAP, into every Fusion built.

 

Bottom line? Save your money and avoid the inevitable regret, possible problems and ensuing Warranty issues.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

Edited July 15, 2010 by bbf2530

[xmech2k]

You guys are all WRONG!!!! The big oil companies and their cronies are bribing the car manufacturers to make low power, inefficient cars, to keep their greedy big profits rolling in! A modern SUV could have 600HP and get 100 MPG except for these crooks! The car manufacturers are not trying to make the most powerful and fuel efficient cars to get more customers. We just get what they give us. Excuse me now. There is an ozone leak in my foil hat and I have to replace it before they find me...

[Razzy]

OMGZ IT R A CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111111111ONEONEONONEONEONEWONWONWONWON

[DontBeEvil]

Has anyone purchased a G-Force performance chip and installed it in a Ford Fusion? If so, Was the installation easy? How much HorsePower did u gain? How much MPG did u gain. On G-force website they claim you can gain up to 60hp and between 4-7 MPG. I have a 2010 Ford Fusion Sport and wish I could gain more HP. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

 

Ugh... ok don't do it. First, most everyone on here is wrong in some claims. Yes, it is most likely a resistor that mounts inline with the MAF to trick the computer into thinking the air charge going in is something else. However, I would like to point out that several reputable companies have so called tuners that work off the same principle except they give you a variable resistor. The true tuners require re-flashing the computer, however the resistor method is basically a stripped down method that some companies use. JET I believe has a module that is basically an expensive variable resistor. However, when you but the cheap resistor kits, you have no guarentee they are giving you a "Setting" that has undergone extensive testing. Basically, Don't buy it if it dosn't come from a reputable dealer. Now as far as how much performance can be tapped from a car, if you undergo a full ECM reflash, you have many settings available to increase performance. Cars are NOT tuned to have as much performance as possible. Cars are tuned from the factory to meet the needs/expectations of the "Average" driver. This means there is always extra performance to be gained. How much there is to be gained depends on the car. If you really want more performance from your car and know little about such matters, take it to a local speed shop, tell them what your budget is, and they can provide the best options available to gain more performance from your ride that will meet your budget. 60HP is a little crazy though. 30 HP would be very optimistic for a full reflash with all stock parts, and that is going to set you back $300-$500. If you are going to get a performance tune, spend the extra money on a cold air induction system and replace the exhaust. You will get more power for your money because additional tuning can be done when you reflash if you have those simple aftermarket upgrades. How much you will get varies based on what parts you get, and who does the tuning. Anything claiming to give you more then 10HP for under $100 is most likely either untested and possibly harmful, or is a lie.

[2010SEL]

Hi Fusion2010. :D Pay attention to what drolds1 stated.

 

Ford spends millions and millions of dollars to try and make their engines as powerful, fuel efficient and reliable as possible. They spend millions trying to increase fuel economy 1 mpg if possible. Therefore, if a "chip" worth a couple of bucks would give them a 60 horsepower and 4-7 mpg improvement, it would be installed by Ford at the factory, ASAP, into every Fusion built.

 

Bottom line? Save your money and avoid the inevitable regret, possible problems and ensuing Warranty issues.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

 

Yes, except for one thing: They are tuning for horsepower and gas mileage and emissions all at the same time. Compromises are made. If Ford didn't have to worry about mpgs and/or emissions, they could certainly get more power out of their engines. So, an aftermarket tuner programming with only increased horsepower as a goal could succeed. I'm not saying that G-Force is any good or not, but something like this can give you more power.

[bbf2530]

Yes, except for one thing: They are tuning for horsepower and gas mileage and emissions all at the same time. Compromises are made. If Ford didn't have to worry about mpgs and/or emissions, they could certainly get more power out of their engines. So, an aftermarket tuner programming with only increased horsepower as a goal could succeed. I'm not saying that G-Force is any good or not, but something like this can give you more power.

 

 

Hi 2010SEL. :D Unfortunately, you read additional meaning into my reply (in this old thread) that was not implied at all. The subject of my reply was only "performance chips" and not aftermarket tuners. If you read the OP's original question, he states "On G-force website they claim you can gain up to 60hp and between 4-7 MPG" with their so called "performance chip". The purpose of my reply was to make clear that no "performance chip" is going to give both a 60 HP and 4.7 mpg improvement. The truth is that In fact it will do neither, as we all seem to agree upon in the end.

 

And yes, of course "compromises" are made by the automakers when they design/tune the engines in our vehicles. Automakers have to make engines that actually last (and get good fuel mileage/pass EPA emission standards, run smoothly etc.) and not simply the most powerful engine they can. If you reread my reply, you will see that I mentioned "powerful, fuel efficient and reliable". You left out the all important "reliability factor" that automakers must take into account and cheap "performance chip" makers (and in reality, aftermarket tuners also) don't.

 

We have now gotten off the main subject/question of "performance chips" and into aftermarket tuners/re-programmers. For informational purposes that is fine, but that is not what the OP asked about. They are two different animals and bottom line is that "performance chips" are cheap transistors that simply fool the engine management system into thinking the intake air temperature is cooler than it really is. Basically, they trick the engine management system into running richer. "Performance chips" do not "reprogram" or "re-tune" the engine management system like an aftermarket tuner does, they throw it out of whack.

 

Hopefully, this clears up any confusion about what I actually stated in my reply.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

 

PS - Just want to add that I am in no way trying to argue with you. In my defense, I am only pointing out what the content of my reply actually stated/implied and that the information contained in it was correct concerning the OP's original question. In addition, when all is said and done, we actually agree. :grouphug:

Edited November 23, 2010 by bbf2530

[2010SEL]

O.K.

[bbf2530]

O.K.

 

 

Okey-Dokey! :grouphug:

[11BlueFlame]

LOL!

[acdii]

If it is a chip that plugs into the PCM, then there is a good possibility it will perform as stated. When a chip is plugged in, it bypasses the PCM programming altogether, and runs the entire drivetrain off its programming. Main drawback, if the chip has bad programming, and causes engine damage, kiss your warranty GOODBYE! The chip leaves behind telltale evidence that it was installed, and there isn't anything you can do to cover it up.

 

OTOH if what they are selling as a "chip" connects to an external engine component, it is not a "chip" but a module. Check the nomenclature of the product so you know what they are selling. Good example, BullyDog, they sell Diesel components, they have a puck that attaches to engine components, it is called a module. They also have programmers that connect to the PCM and reflash it, and they have chips, that plug directly into the PCM.

 

So, know what they are selling before you do anything, no matter who is selling what. Dont confuse a module with a chip, they are not the same thing, and do totally different things to the engine.

[akirby]

If it is a chip that plugs into the PCM, then there is a good possibility it will perform as stated. When a chip is plugged in, it bypasses the PCM programming altogether, and runs the entire drivetrain off its programming. Main drawback, if the chip has bad programming, and causes engine damage, kiss your warranty GOODBYE! The chip leaves behind telltale evidence that it was installed, and there isn't anything you can do to cover it up.

 

OTOH if what they are selling as a "chip" connects to an external engine component, it is not a "chip" but a module. Check the nomenclature of the product so you know what they are selling. Good example, BullyDog, they sell Diesel components, they have a puck that attaches to engine components, it is called a module. They also have programmers that connect to the PCM and reflash it, and they have chips, that plug directly into the PCM.

 

So, know what they are selling before you do anything, no matter who is selling what. Dont confuse a module with a chip, they are not the same thing, and do totally different things to the engine.

 

G-force chip installs in between the IAT sensor and the PCM. It just tricks the PCM IAT sensor input.

[acdii]

G-force chip installs in between the IAT sensor and the PCM. It just tricks the PCM IAT sensor input.

 

So its falsely advertised. It isn't a chip, its a module. A chip has programming in it, and needs direct communication with the PCM on many levels to work. Snake Oil! plain and simple, Snake Oil. Might as well just buy a case of 104+ octane boost, you might get better results.

Edited February 15, 2011 by acdii

[akirby]

So its falsely advertised. It isn't a chip, its a module. A chip has programming in it, and needs direct communication with the PCM on many levels to work. Snake Oil! plain and simple, Snake Oil. Might as well just buy a case of 104+ octane boost, you might get better results.

 

I agree it's snake oil but it does appear that it is a chip with firmware that varies the resistance based on some algorithm. Not saying that helps any but that's probably why they call it a chip.

[jameslattimer68]

Are there any good chips? which are not snake oil.

Edited December 8, 2011 by jameslattimer68

[akirby]

Are there any good chips? which are not snake oil.

 

You don't "chip" Fords - you tune them. Check out SCT.

[FusionDiffusion]

In the old days you had to "chip" Fords before the advent of reprogrammable PCMs. You had to desolder the memory chip and replace it with one that had the desired programing. Most newer cars made in the past 15 years or so have bus reprogrammable PCMs, but the "chip" language had persisted. Yes, newer cars you tune/recalibrate/reprogram only.

[rcrdps]

Hi. I'm new to this board, and I don't own a Fusion yet, but I'm waiting for one to get to my dealer that I have "agreed" to buy, so,..... And I know this thread is old, but this part of the forum is lacking in number of threads so,.....

 

Just a comment about the resistor on the temperature sensor causing the car to run rich. This would decrease horsepower, not increase. Most cars are tuned rich from the factory. That protects them. Chips generally lean out the AF, and increase timing. So a chip will give more power AND more mpg, while sacrificing the safety margin the manufacturer put in there for everyone and their brother running on 87octane. Most folks won't realize any mpg gains, because they put the chip in there to get more power and they want to feel it more often. The chip won't change your cruise mpg, as that is when the ECU is in closed loop, and plays with AF ratio according to what it reads on the oxygen sensor. If you want better cruise mpg at the expense of emissions and your cats, throw in a wideband o2, and emulate the narrow band( normal) o2, except set it to switch at 16:1 rather than 14.7:1. I have done this. I have also done the resistor trick, except if I'm not mistaken, the air sensor affects timing. It was on an old Lincoln Town Car, and I forget which way you wire the resistor. Basically, if the sensor is a "thermistor", you wire it one way, whereas, if it's a "thermocouple", you wire it the other way. Those ways would be parrallel and series. I think mine was in parallel, but I was trying to decrease timing to remove a ping issue caused by porting the MAF,.....which makes it run lean.

 

The bad thing about these boxes and modules, is your car will try to adjust for them eventually. If you're not fooling all of the sensors involved, then it will arrive at a number between the one you fooled, and the other one.

 

Gene

[3 point 5]

I GOT CHIPS!!!

 

[Kevin G O'Brien]

I don't get it. Lots of replies by people who have no experience with the topic, only speculation. GF guarantees their chips and the performance improvement. They are guaranteed to NOT affect the warranty. If you don't like it for any reason they offer a 100% refund. What the heck is there to lose?

[akirby]

What is there to lose? Money.

 

You don't need experience to spot a scam. It's called physics and facts not speculation. I don't care what they guarantee - their product cannot work and they can't guarantee that it doesn't affect the warranty.

 

It's a complete waste of time and money as has been proven many many times.

[akirby]

http://www.ebay.com/gds/Fake-Modification-Chips-and-Gas-Savers-/10000000001478993/g.html

[drolds1]

I don't get it. Lots of replies by people who have no experience with the topic, only speculation. GF guarantees their chips and the performance improvement. They are guaranteed to NOT affect the warranty. If you don't like it for any reason they offer a 100% refund. What the heck is there to lose?

 

Simple solution. Since you feel that it's a no-lose proposition, why don't you buy one and report the results back to us?