2013 Fusion

[gene]

Read on aol auto that the 2013 model will have 2 Ecoboost I 4's and drop the V6! If so glad i got a 2011 and do you think Ford is dropping the V6?

[akirby]

Read on aol auto that the 2013 model will have 2 Ecoboost I 4's and drop the V6! If so glad i got a 2011 and do you think Ford is dropping the V6?

 

Yes. Almost guaranteed due to CAFE changes. You might see a SVT model with a V6 though - special edition.

[jazztrumpet216]

With a twin turbo, direct injection Ecoboost engine, you will be saying "Who needs a V6?!"

 

The Hyundai Sonata gets 200HP out of a DI, non turbo'd I4. V6 engines will go the way of the old V8... as in, only available where market conditions dictate.

[jazztrumpet216]

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20100713/carreviews/100719970

 

Hyundai got 274 HP and 263 lb/ft of torque out of a turbo 2.0L DI engine in the Sonata, while getting 34 MPG. As DI technology matures and gets more refined, those numbers will only go up.

 

Simply no need for V6 engines with numbers like that.

[SilverSport]

I also understand in 2012 or 13 it will be built on the European Mondero platform. Which would be able to withstand the added torque and horsepower. I also understand a v6version will remain. A new 340 HP will be introduced when the new Mondero underpinnings are introduced. The new engine is a version of the new 2010 SHO.

Edited September 3, 2010 by SilverSport

[redfire06]

there better be an option!! hyundai did away with its V6 sonata and i've seen a lot of people turned off by it and bought elsewhere (IE the toyota dealer i work for) yes i work for toyota and drive a ford (and love every minute of it i may add!) and i will also add i don't care how much HP it has i don't drive 4 cyl cars period i had a 5 cyl volvo once but thats the closest.

[jazztrumpet216]

I don't understand that mentality. 4 cylinder engines are more economical as well as easier to maintain. Today's 4 cylinder models offer as much or more power than yesterday's V6s... and 274 HP out of a 4 cylinder is unreal. As CAFE requirements continue to go up, V6 engines will become antiquated and unsustainable technology for automakers in mid-size cars.. Hyundai is simply ahead of the curve.

 

My experience with those types of people is that the last 4 cylinder engine they drove was something along the lines of an early 90s GM Quad 4, and have not driven one since.

[redfire06]

i guess i should explain a bit better, i drive 90% highway (aka the 94k on my 06 car) and i have driven more recent 4 cyl cars (camry corolla altima etc and most recently a 2010 chevy equinox) and they just don't cut it for me. the equinox was a total dog severely under powered and had awful fuel mileage (by awful i'm talking like 14) my fusion does much better. to get anywhere you had to floor the thing and then it would think about moving its ass. i'd have to drive the hyundai to see but so far i'm not impressed with the 4cyl offerings, the best i can think of is the corolla because the car is so light it can carry itself. i should also add that i have been very spoiled by german I6 engines as i have owned a few BMW's (and my current 635 csi had better MPG than the equinox too!)

[jazztrumpet216]

i guess i should explain a bit better, i drive 90% highway (aka the 94k on my 06 car) and i have driven more recent 4 cyl cars (camry corolla altima etc and most recently a 2010 chevy equinox) and they just don't cut it for me. the equinox was a total dog severely under powered and had awful fuel mileage (by awful i'm talking like 14) my fusion does much better. to get anywhere you had to floor the thing and then it would think about moving its ass. i'd have to drive the hyundai to see but so far i'm not impressed with the 4cyl offerings, the best i can think of is the corolla because the car is so light it can carry itself. i should also add that i have been very spoiled by german I6 engines as i have owned a few BMW's (and my current 635 csi had better MPG than the equinox too!)

 

I will certainly agree that there is a point at which a decently powered V6 becomes more efficient than an I4 in a heavier car, simply due to the fact you don't have to ring the thing out to get to where you want to go in less than two weeks, especially in large vehicle applications where torque is a must. All I'm saying is that the increase in fuel economy standards is going to lead to some interesting solutions to get V6 power out of I4 engines, like Ecoboost.

 

Just think- only 30 years ago, we were lucky to be getting 150 HP from a V8 engine. 15 years ago, you'd be doing pretty well to get that kind of power out of a V6. Now, many I4 engines meet or surpass that (like the 2.5L getting 175 HP in the 2010 Fusion).

[bleemeek]

I don't understand that mentality. 4 cylinder engines are more economical as well as easier to maintain.

 

True, but how about a turbo 4? I am not keen on warmup and cool down. I got a new car to have to maintain it less. When I was shopping for Mazda CX-7, that is what ultimately turned me off. The maintenance schedule is more often (oil changes) and engine life is not as long with the turbo technology. I am sticking with tried and true "simpler" technology. My V6 rocks, and any improvement on fuel economy would / will be offset by the extra care turbo engines require.

[2010SEL]

Im with you redfire06! I'd rather have the torque & smoothness of a 6, especially with an automatic tranny. No turbo 4s here! I don't need to be paying $3.00 plus for premium gas either, which they all need. When I am in the market for a new car in 2012, I won't be buying a Fusion or any other mid-sized sedan if it doesn't have the V6 + automatic option.

Edited October 1, 2010 by 2010SEL

[Waldo]

Im with you redfire06! I'd rather have the torque & smoothness of a 6, especially with an automatic tranny. No turbo 4s here! I don't need to be paying $3.00 plus for premium gas either, which they all need. When I am in the market for a new car in 2012, I won't be buying a Fusion or any other mid-sized sedan if it doesn't have the V6 + automatic option.

 

Your options are going to be severely limited then, as this is a trend that's going to continue. Ford's turbo 4-cyl does not require premium gas either.

[toyz]

My 2010 Sport is my first non-tubo car since 1986. All have been Volvos including my wife's current V70R (300HP out of 2.5 liters with AWD) plus one Z. What I have learned from these 8 cars is:

 

- If you treat them well, the turbos are good for well past 100K miles. Just don't shut the engine off after a burst of speed or rev the engine prior to shut down.

 

- When driven easily (keep your foot out of the turbo!) a turbocharged car gets much better gas mileage than a larger displacement NA. My wife's Volvo V70R gets 34-35 (average) mpg over long trips (yes with 300HP and fully loaded). In cool weather we have seen as high as 38mpg average over a 3,000 mile trip at turnpike speeds.

 

- The gas savings of a turbocharged engine will more than compensate for the cost of premium fuel. If premium is not required, that is a plus. However, I expect that the ECU will detune the engine and you will see lower HP on regular gas.

 

- You do not need to change oil more frequently with a turbocharged engine. My Volvo's recommended 7,500 mile service intervals including my wife's 1994 V70R (6 year old technology). My 1995 Twin-turbo 300ZX (300 HP out of 3.0 liters) recommends 5,000 mile services (and it is 15 year old technology when there was no synthetic oil available). I change oil more frequently but that is by choice not manufacturer's requirement.

 

- The immediate, off-the-line accelleration is not as fast as you have to wait for the turbos to spool up and the cars generally have lower torque due to their lower displacement. However, my wife's V70R is high-sixes to sixty (with auto - it would have been high-fives had she opted for the manual transmission) - and that is a station wagon! My Z is low-5 seconds. Both should be adequate for anyone.

 

- I believe that turbocharging with direct injection will give you an even better blend of power and mileage - and, if the internal components of the engine are strong enough, very easy to modify with replacement turbo(s) and ECU upgrade.

 

-Just my 2 cents based upon experience - and I had sworn I would never have anything other than a V-8!

[2010SEL]

Your options are going to be severely limited then, as this is a trend that's going to continue. Ford's turbo 4-cyl does not require premium gas either.

Well, then it might be a Subaru Legacy 3.6 next time. When I was looking at AWD mid size sedans, it was certainly in the running. I liked the Fusion better, but if it only had a 4-banger, I would not have bought it. If everyone stops making cars people want, the auto industry will go even further down the tubes.

[jazztrumpet216]

Well, then it might be a Subaru Legacy 3.6 next time. When I was looking at AWD mid size sedans, it was certainly in the running. I liked the Fusion better, but if it only had a 4-banger, I would not have bought it. If everyone stops making cars people want, the auto industry will go even further down the tubes.

 

Then nobody will be buying cars. This is not a Ford thing, this is an auto industry thing. Automakers have to have a fleet-wide average (not highway) MPG of 35.5 MPG by 2016. You can't get anywhere near that in a mid-size sedan with a V6.

[drolds1]

Well, then it might be a Subaru Legacy 3.6 next time. When I was looking at AWD mid size sedans, it was certainly in the running. I liked the Fusion better, but if it only had a 4-banger, I would not have bought it. If everyone stops making cars people want, the auto industry will go even further down the tubes.

 

I agree with you on your preference for V6es, but the 4-cylinder only policy certainly hasn't hurt sales of the 2011 Hyundai Sonata. They can't make them fast enough. They recently shifted Santa Fe production from their AL plant to the Kia plant in GA so that they could boost Sonata production. And the 274hp turbo version hasn't even gone on sale yet.

 

In September, the Sonata knocked the Altima out of 3rd place in mid-size car sales. Most Camrys, Accords and Altimas are 4-bangers.

[2010SEL]

I agree with you on your preference for V6es, but the 4-cylinder only policy certainly hasn't hurt sales of the 2011 Hyundai Sonata. They can't make them fast enough. They recently shifted Santa Fe production from their AL plant to the Kia plant in GA so that they could boost Sonata production. And the 274hp turbo version hasn't even gone on sale yet.

 

In September, the Sonata knocked the Altima out of 3rd place in mid-size car sales. Most Camrys, Accords and Altimas are 4-bangers.

 

Well, if the masses want to buy 4-cyl cars that are boring and underpowered, let them. We should have a choice. Govt laws have screwed things up enough already. Its almost as if they want the auto industry, and others, to fail.

 

I wouldn't buy a Hyundai if you paid me. All they have is a low price and 4 cyl engines, which apparently is all that most people want.

[drolds1]

All they have is a low price and 4 cyl engines, which apparently is all that most people want.

 

Exactly. To quote the SM at my dealer, "These days all most people care about is that there's an engine and it makes the car move." However "most people" is where the car makers make most of their money.

 

Witness that the 3800lb Buick LaCrosse is available with a 182hp I-4. That must be fun on a trip with 4 people and luggage if you want to pass another car or go up a steep hill. Let's not even mention merging onto a highway.

[jtb3]

I started out in the V8 "muscle car" years and didn't think I could even stand to own a I-6, V-6 or much less a I-4.

But then I became the owner or a 1993 Taurus V6, that I liked so well I kept buying the Taurus cars.

This year I thought I would test drive the 2010 Fusion. The dealer tied to to get me to buy the I-4 but I was not happy

with it. After checking out the V6, it was a perfect match for my taste in "family car high performance". The 3.0 Duratec

is an amazing engine....it has great performance and power when needed, smooth and quite except under hard

acceleration and then it flexes it muscle and "growls" under full power. I think it is the best car I have ever owned, so far.

BTW, the MPG's are never lower then 26 around home , 32 at 60 mph and 29/30 at 75mph (interstate).

Conclusion = I didn't think I could step down from a V8 to a V6 and enjoy it, but did. So, I suppose FORD could "refine"

the I-4 and I could enjoy it as much as the 2010 V6......BUT right now that hasn't happened! I don't under estimate Ford!!

Included is a video clip of a 2010 Fusion V6 when called on.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zvh_oV1ty94

 

Now, if I wanted a true " muscle car" then I would buy the 2011 Mustang!!

Edited October 6, 2010 by jtb3

[jazztrumpet216]

Well, if the masses want to buy 4-cyl cars that are boring and underpowered, let them. We should have a choice. Govt laws have screwed things up enough already. Its almost as if they want the auto industry, and others, to fail.

 

I wouldn't buy a Hyundai if you paid me. All they have is a low price and 4 cyl engines, which apparently is all that most people want.

 

And a stellar reputation for quality plus the best warranty in the business. It is a great thing that Ford and Hyundai can and should be mentioned in the same breath.

 

Your statement also contradicts itself. You concede that Hyundai is doing well selling their "underpowered" car. Then you go and say that the government wants automakers to fail. Which is it? Either Hyundai is doing well with their "underpowered" car, or they're not.

 

To think 182 HP was once a luxury people paid handsomely (so was 175 HP for that matter, like the Fusion's base engine) for in a mid-size car. Heck, my mom once owned a 1995 Olds Achieva with the upgrade 3.1L V6 that couldn't come close to either number- I want to say it was rated at 155 HP. Now people complain that it's not enough. That Achieva used to move pretty well, if I remember correctly. No, not a drag racer... but in daily driving you didn't even use 20% of that car's capability.

[2010SEL]

Next time I'll put "IMHO" after everything I say.

[store249]

With a twin turbo, direct injection Ecoboost engine, you will be saying "Who needs a V6?!"

 

The Hyundai Sonata gets 200HP out of a DI, non turbo'd I4. V6 engines will go the way of the old V8... as in, only available where market conditions dictate.

 

unfortunate, Ford is not competitive with hyundai,

 

The low end powertrain on the 2013 fusion will be a 177hp 1.6EB and the higher end version will be a 237hp 2.0EB. The Koreans are charging ahead leaving Ford in the dust. Most of the competitors will have more power engine options, i don't see it going that well for Ford

[akirby]

unfortunate, Ford is not competitive with hyundai,

 

The low end powertrain on the 2013 fusion will be a 177hp 1.6EB and the higher end version will be a 237hp 2.0EB. The Koreans are charging ahead leaving Ford in the dust. Most of the competitors will have more power engine options, i don't see it going that well for Ford

 

[drolds1]

 

 

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[akirby]

Just to clarify - this did not start here with one reply - it started on blueovalforums yesterday with LOTS and LOTS of trollish behavior in post after post after post.....