drolds1 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 Just to clarify - this did not start here with one reply - it started on blueovalforums yesterday with LOTS and LOTS of trollish behavior in post after post after post..... I think it's the same guy that appears on a variety of auto forums under different screen names. The key is to ignore him, just like all trolls. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
store249 Posted June 24, 2011 Share Posted June 24, 2011 how is this trolling? i'm just saying the truth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I didn't hear anything - did you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leebo Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 The funny thing to me is as follows. I've been a moderator on another Ford message board dedicated to the Explorer for over 10 years now. When the Explorers first came out they were based on the Ranger platform with a TTB front suspension (a mild form of an Independent suspension) and a live axle in the rear. This setup was very easy to instal lift kits, and worked amazing off-road right out of the box. It went on for 4 years, and sold a CRUDLOAD of SUV's in this time frame. Then in 1995 they switched the front suspension to a much more road-worthy Independent Front Suspension using torsion bars and kept the rear axle the same (only adding disk breaks to the 8.8), There were several people yelling that Ford is messing things up, they will NEVER drive a SUV with IFS and that Ford is killing off the Explorer in front of their eyes. Just watch the J##ps pass them in sales. Well, Ford sold a CRUDLOAD of 95-2001 Explorers as well. They're still all over the place on the road today. Then in 2002 Ford changed the rear suspension and went IFS and IRS. Almost impossible to lift, and all but killed their "off-road" ability. People on the boards were tossing a fit! Never will they buy another Explorer, and that Ford is killing it off in front of their eyes. Ford sold a CRUDLOAD of them. Now for 2011 Ford has introduced several major changes to the Explorer, including all but taking away the 4x4 feature ( they call it "intelligent four-wheel-drive"), switching over to unibody platform, going to front wheel drive, and so forth. A HUGE switch from it's truck based platform. Well........ If the buzz on the message boards is an indicator, plus the fact that the Explorer's sales are up 138%, then maybe Ford does have a good plan ignoring the few who only want the old stuff, and continue to head towards the future and keep making vehicles that appeal to the masses not just a select few. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drolds1 Posted June 25, 2011 Share Posted June 25, 2011 I didn't hear anything - did you? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionBikerGuyOH Posted August 15, 2011 Share Posted August 15, 2011 Well, kinda back to topic. . . I'm one of those rare people who went the route contrary to progress: Old car - 2007 Mazdaspeed 6 - 2.3L I-4 Direct-Injection Turbo, 270 hp/ 280 lb/ft tq, all-wheel-drive New car - 2010 Ford Fusion Sport - 3.5L V6, 263 hp/ 249 lb/ft tq, front-wheel drive While I realize that my motor in my speed 6 is one of the first motors that was available with direct-injection along with a turbo, it did have its flaws. Turbo was replaced at 8000 miles due to a faulty seal in the design of the original K04 unit - Used only 92 or higher octane premium gas as well. I couldn't go to a low-grade premium gas station because the ECU cuts power when it recognizes the lower octane level and limits how high you can rev to avoid damaging the turbo. You had to wait a couple minutes to warm up, and a couple min. to cool down as well, which was a pain in the a$$. And the mileage wasn't all that great, especially in the city. I've gotten better city AND highway mileage with my Fusion Sport V6, by 3-4mpg. I do miss the sound of the turbo spooling up, and the feel of power/torque in 3rd gear on the highway, but my Fusion's Six is MUCH smoother and sounds better. Butt dyno even feels faster with that instant power. Although I am also impressed with the Kia Optima/Hyundai Sonata turbo motors as well, there ARE caveats to those setups, which will probably be inherent in the 2013 Fusion as well. There are pros and cons to both setups. But as long as both are available (whether in a regular or special SVT trim) . . . who cares? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redfire06 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ok so! i drove a sonata 2.0T just to see what we are facing here. i will say. the car is amazing its hard to believe its a hyundai. well not really as they have the strictist quality standards of any maker but anyway the car was pretty well balanced and drove well and smooth but its still just not the same there was a lag with acceleration that led to more of a lurch once the turbo caught up after that it was smooth for as fast as you wanted. and under any heavy acceleration it screamed murder. my overall personal conclusion is to buy or order a 2011-2012 (found a pre-owned 11 with 5k recently) fusion sport to lock onto a V6 before i don't have a choice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locust43 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Hyundai is doing VERY well with their 274HP 2.0L I4 Sonata, which is more powerful than even the Sport model Fusion V6. Hyundai, Chevrolet AND HONDA have both announced they are dropping V6's from their midsize cars which is cool. Ford likely will with their 2013 Fusion as well. This is the trend, get used to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locust43 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Hyundai is doing VERY well with their 274HP 2.0L I4 Sonata, which is more powerful than even the Sport model Fusion V6. Hyundai, Chevrolet AND HONDA have both announced they are dropping V6's from their midsize cars which is cool. Ford likely will with their 2013 Fusion as well. This is the trend, get used to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locust43 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 ok so! i drove a sonata 2.0T just to see what we are facing here. i will say. the car is amazing its hard to believe its a hyundai. well not really as they have the strictist quality standards of any maker but anyway the car was pretty well balanced and drove well and smooth but its still just not the same there was a lag with acceleration that led to more of a lurch once the turbo caught up after that it was smooth for as fast as you wanted. and under any heavy acceleration it screamed murder. my overall personal conclusion is to buy or order a 2011-2012 (found a pre-owned 11 with 5k recently) fusion sport to lock onto a V6 before i don't have a choice. I have an Ecoboost Explorer and shockingly there is not noticeable lag in the turbo. Look up how Ecoboost compares to normal turbo's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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