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good info Jazz, thx. I stopped by a different Ford Dealership on my way to work this morning (lost any confidence and trust from where i bought the car) and spoke to service mgr. about the issues and the TSB #10-21-9 you posted. I made an appt for tues 11/30 to have it applied, i'll post the results afterwards.

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Good evening Raging Italian,

I have a 2010 Mercury Milan with this same engine,transmission and the same problems.I just had this tsb done to my car and the mileage has dropped 3 miles to a gallon.The car also runs faster than it did before the tsb was done.This was the 3rd time back for the same transmision problems.The car has 6500 miles on it now. It is a job 3 build being built 12/23/09.The mechanic who worked on it had a 2010 fusion and now has a 2011 and even says the 11 shifts totally different. I worked at a FORD HEAVY TRUCK DEALER FOR 22 YEARS and the only way these cars are going to get fixed properly is if everyone with this problem stays on FORDS ASS. They have a bad habit of fixing there driveability problems by increasing engine rpms which in turn cost the customer more for fuel and brake parts.A faster running motor will require more brake effort to stop the car in turn wearing brake components premature and using more gas.Let me know how you make out with yours.

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I picked the car up yesterday from the new dealer, they applied the latest TSB, and will be going on a business trip with it the next couple of days, i will post my findings on Saturday when i get back, i am not expecting much. But if it is true the 2011s are good, then that tells me its mechanical and not software, otherwise they would have just applied the 2011 software.

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I picked the car up yesterday from the new dealer, they applied the latest TSB, and will be going on a business trip with it the next couple of days, i will post my findings on Saturday when i get back, i am not expecting much. But if it is true the 2011s are good, then that tells me its mechanical and not software, otherwise they would have just applied the 2011 software.

 

It's been about two weeks and 500 miles for me and it hasn't come back. Seems to be working well for me.

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The main problem with these certain year transmissions is the type of valve body that they are using. The reprogram of the PCM for these transmission could fix it, if caught early enough, but once it starts acting up there is pretty much nothing you can do. If driven for some time with the concern, the pressure regulator bore has been scorn enough to allow some fluid to pass thus causing improper fluid pressure, and a lot of premature wear on the clutch packs. One way to find out if there really is a problem, drive the car enough to allow the Trans fluid to get to operating temperature. Then come to a stop and power brake it hard, you will want to floor the gas pedal. If the trans starts to buck then you have a problem, but if it doesn't then it might be a matter of time before it does, but i'd recommend changing the trans fluid to prolong the life of the clutches.

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Fordtech, The ones with the valve body problem were the 2010s built job 1 till 3/10, mine was after that so it should not have that problem but it still has problems. In any case I got back from my road trip and it has not done the 2-3 shift flare yet but its still a disappointing car. I traded an 03 Camry V6 which was much smoother running and smoother shifting, the Fusion just seems to be a harsher sounding and shifting car, maybe I just got a bad one, but I'm done with Ford, when the right time comes along I'll get rid of the car. Good luck everyone, thanks for all the good info, have a Merry Christmas and God bless America.

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Just so you all know, not every Fusion is going to be perfect. As well as any Accord, Camry, Malibu, Hyundai, or anything else. Out of the several hundred thousand Fusions on the road, there are going to be several hundred out there with some issues. It's like that with all brands. Just read some customer reviews from other car companys!!!! You'd be amazed!!!! There are alot of problems out there because these are man made machines. I currently own a 2011 Mustang. Great car!!! I owned a 2003 Honda CRV and it broke down on me 4 times in the first 10,000 and almost got into a wreck before I finally traded it on a 2003 Ford Ranger. I put over 80,000 on that Ranger without a single issue. That would be (1) of (2) great Rangers that I owned. I have also owned a Mazda 3- (Clutch burn out - maybe my fault) Dodge Spirit- (Alot of Electrical issues) Chevy Cavalier -(leaked water in the floor every time it rained, would'nt start sometimes) . Anyway, I think Ford has come along way with Quality. Before you go trade it off on another car, please give them a chance to make it right. If not, then I'd say do alot of research and compare apples before you buy a car again. But remember, Fusion is one of the best in it's class out there right now! Trust me! Good luck to all!!!

 

Thanks!

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ctc1970,

 

You sound like you work for Ford and someone that can be trusted so I am hoping you can help me. Based on what appeared to be creditable research I bought a 2010 Ford Fusion SE V6 but the car I purchased has problems. I was amazed to find out that the Ford Fusion got such good ratings and “car of the year” even though there was a know problem with the 6F35 transmission, oh well, so much for creditable research and comparing apples.

My car has a build date of 5/10 so it should not have the valve body transmission flaw that those with earlier build dates have but nevertheless the car sounds and runs harshly and the transmission slips when shifting from 2nd to 3rd. I know Ford does not want to use the word "slip" so they call it a "flare" but make no mistake about it, it is a slip. I also understand that some cars of every make and model will have problems and it’s really the way the company backs up their product and corrects the issues with those vehicles.

Well it has been 6 long months of trips back and forth to 2 different dealerships, applying TSBs, and opening a case with the Ford Customer Care Center. I was told last week by an honest service technician that the car definitely is not right but because it is not producing any codes there is nothing they can do about it. I have given Ford every chance to make it right with no resolution. As it appears you are an employee of Ford Motor Company and have such confidence in them you must know some means of resolving this that the rest of us are not privy too.

Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Forgive me for my sarcasm but I had enough and in all seriousness I am sure the Fusion is a good automobile, I clearly just got a bad one but Ford really needed to step up to the plate and do something, even if its allowing me to trade it in on another one at a reasonable loss, not the rip off the dealership offered, and they are just not doing it. My last post, my last Ford.

 

Merry Christmas and God Bless America! We need it!

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The main problem with these certain year transmissions is the type of valve body that they are using. The reprogram of the PCM for these transmission could fix it, if caught early enough, but once it starts acting up there is pretty much nothing you can do. If driven for some time with the concern, the pressure regulator bore has been scorn enough to allow some fluid to pass thus causing improper fluid pressure, and a lot of premature wear on the clutch packs. One way to find out if there really is a problem, drive the car enough to allow the Trans fluid to get to operating temperature. Then come to a stop and power brake it hard, you will want to floor the gas pedal. If the trans starts to buck then you have a problem, but if it doesn't then it might be a matter of time before it does, but i'd recommend changing the trans fluid to prolong the life of the clutches.

 

Hey FordTech,

 

Not sure what you mean by "power brake it hard, you will want to floor the gas pedal. If the trans starts to buck then you have a problem". Does that mean hold the brake down while you hit the gas?

 

If the valve bodies are/were the problem then I wish Ford would have just issued a recall and replaced the damn thing. Certainly a lot easier to do that vs. replacing the transmissions or giving folks the runaround because it's not throwing codes. In my case, with a cold 2->3 shift flare that the dealer reproduced they said it was still operating within spec. and no codes. How the heck can the transmission slip and not throw up some codes? So far the updated PCM programming seems to have helped my situation but maybe this is just early signs that I had some premature wear before the 10B15 service at 2200 miles. My asst. service manager swore up and down that having it done so early there was no damage. Or maybe this is going to prolong it long enough to get past the warranty.

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Just so you all know, not every Fusion is going to be perfect. As well as any Accord, Camry, Malibu, Hyundai, or anything else. Out of the several hundred thousand Fusions on the road, there are going to be several hundred out there with some issues. It's like that with all brands. Just read some customer reviews from other car companys!!!! You'd be amazed!!!! There are alot of problems out there because these are man made machines. I currently own a 2011 Mustang. Great car!!! I owned a 2003 Honda CRV and it broke down on me 4 times in the first 10,000 and almost got into a wreck before I finally traded it on a 2003 Ford Ranger. I put over 80,000 on that Ranger without a single issue. That would be (1) of (2) great Rangers that I owned. I have also owned a Mazda 3- (Clutch burn out - maybe my fault) Dodge Spirit- (Alot of Electrical issues) Chevy Cavalier -(leaked water in the floor every time it rained, would'nt start sometimes) . Anyway, I think Ford has come along way with Quality. Before you go trade it off on another car, please give them a chance to make it right. If not, then I'd say do alot of research and compare apples before you buy a car again. But remember, Fusion is one of the best in it's class out there right now! Trust me! Good luck to all!!!

 

Thanks!

 

Most of us understand that there are going to be issues. Especially with a new transmission like the 6F35. But as RagingItalian said, Ford needs to own up to the problem and get it fixed for everyone. There are several things that lead me to believe this is a bigger problem then just a small percentage of cars.

 

1. Look at the NHTSA complaint database for Ford Fusion 2010, under Automatic Transmission. You'll see 38 filed complaints (as of now) regarding what many consider safety issues related to transmission failure. NHTSA For the 2009 Ford Fusion there was 1. Take a look at the 2009/2010 Escape (same 6F35 trans) also and you'll see similar complaints 16 & 8. The complaints sound very familiar. Jerky shifting, slippage. Multiple trips to the delaer. Still not fixed. Don't trust the car. A lot of common themes in the comments.

 

2. Look at edmunds.com at the ratings and comments for the 2010 Fusion. Lots of complaints regarding transmission problems. Similar kinds of issues. And the overall user rating has gone down over the past year.

 

3. Read this long thread regading 2010 Fusion owners and transmission problems: automag

 

For people having problems, it's not like they can just afford to dump their car and take a huge loss. I mean I bought a Ford because I believed they were more committed to customer satisfaction and quality but if this transmission can't last then it might as well be a Yugo. The engine and transmission have to be bullet-proof to be best in class. I'm not convinced the 6F35 is bullet-proof.

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Yes I know I said I was not going to post again, but I just realized that ctc1970 is Ford's answer to the problem, instead of actually fixing the problem and making it right they hire guys like this to spew out propaganda to try and create the perception that everything is fine. Not sure this guy and Ford know who they are messing with, we are a lot smarter as consumers. The sad thing is Ford could have really hit a homerun if they manned up and "made it right", they would have built up trust which is invaluable and l as well as others would have been a Ford customer for life. Just like Toyota they will take a hit, whether that changes their corporate attitude or not is up to them.

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Yes I know I said I was not going to post again, but I just realized that ctc1970 is Ford's answer to the problem, instead of actually fixing the problem and making it right they hire guys like this to spew out propaganda to try and create the perception that everything is fine. Not sure this guy and Ford know who they are messing with, we are a lot smarter as consumers. The sad thing is Ford could have really hit a homerun if they manned up and "made it right", they would have built up trust which is invaluable and l as well as others would have been a Ford customer for life. Just like Toyota they will take a hit, whether that changes their corporate attitude or not is up to them.

 

How much have you driven with the new programming?

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Jazz,

only posting to answer your question as i know you are interested, this is absolutely my last post.

i put about 300 miles (mostly highway) on and it has not done the 2-3 shift flare but like i said its harsh, the engine/transmission noise, the shifting, the ride. i bought a fusion because a friend has one and its really a nice car, same as mine, 2010 SE V6, but you would never believe when driving them they are the same, i think they dropped mine off the assembly line when they were building it, in any case like i said, i'm really done, just have to wait for the right time and then get rid of it, i am willing to take a big dollar loss at this point, it has been a very disappointing experience and i will never have anything to do with ford again because of it. good luck with yours, i do believe most are good cars.

 

Merry Christmas and God Bless America!

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Hello,

 

I just wanted to send you a reply with contact information. If it were me, I would contact someone at the numbers listed below. They may be of some assistance to you. I am sorry to hear that you have had a very bad experience, and hope they will get your vehicle issues fixed, or give you another Fusion. Here is a number for a dearborn tech at Ford (Tom May.) He works directly with the VP. (313)-805-3439. The VP's number is (313)-845-5831. I would recommend reporting these issues to these people and see if that helps.

 

Thanks and good luck!!

 

Sincerely,

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You sound like you work for Ford and someone that can be trusted so I am hoping you can help me. Based on what appeared to be creditable research I bought a 2010 Ford Fusion SE V6 but the car I purchased has problems. I was amazed to find out that the Ford Fusion got such good ratings and “car of the year” even though there was a know problem with the 6F35 transmission, oh well, so much for creditable research and comparing apples.

My car has a build date of 5/10 so it should not have the valve body transmission flaw that those with earlier build dates have but nevertheless the car sounds and runs harshly and the transmission slips when shifting from 2nd to 3rd. I know Ford does not want to use the word "slip" so they call it a "flare" but make no mistake about it, it is a slip. I also understand that some cars of every make and model will have problems and it’s really the way the company backs up their product and corrects the issues with those vehicles.

Well it has been 6 long months of trips back and forth to 2 different dealerships, applying TSBs, and opening a case with the Ford Customer Care Center. I was told last week by an honest service technician that the car definitely is not right but because it is not producing any codes there is nothing they can do about it. I have given Ford every chance to make it right with no resolution. As it appears you are an employee of Ford Motor Company and have such confidence in them you must know some means of resolving this that the rest of us are not privy too.

Your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

 

Forgive me for my sarcasm but I had enough and in all seriousness I am sure the Fusion is a good automobile, I clearly just got a bad one but Ford really needed to step up to the plate and do something, even if its allowing me to trade it in on another one at a reasonable loss, not the rip off the dealership offered, and they are just not doing it. My last post, my last Ford.

 

Merry Christmas and God Bless America! We need it!

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Hello Everyone:

 

I own a 2010 Fusion SEL V6 FWD. My 6F35 6 speed automatic transmission is suffering from chronic shifting problems.

 

Visit # 1. Dealer discovered that my valve body failed. Valve body and Solenoid Assembly replaced. Around 3,000 miles

 

Visit # 2. Recall 10B15 PCM Software Reprogram Performed. This didn't do anything to correct my shifting problems, and only made my shifting patterns/points worse. Around 4,500 miles

 

Visit # 3. I passed the transmission load test. The load test they perform after the 10B15 Software Reflash is a giant scam. Around 4,500 miles

 

Visit # 4. Trans Tech test drove Vehicle and verified Shift Flaring. Reprogramed PCM with latest software calibration. Apparently there already has been 3 software updates to the 10B15. No surprise there. After new software installed car is still experiencing shift flaring. Transmission was removed and mounted to bench for overhaul. They discovered that 3 bolts on the valve body had melted, my valve body was damaged, and my clutches were burned out. They installed a new valve body, forward clutch, overdrive clutch, piston, seals, and gaskets. Car is still shifting terrible. I am still experiencing a violent downshift slam about 2 seconds after the throttle is released, random intermittent shift flaring/slippage, an uncontrolable forward lurch that comes after a funny shift, and some intermittent eratic shifting (jumping gears). The trans still feels like it is struggling and nervous at times. Around 9,300 miles. My lemon law attorney sent a letter to Ford on my behalf notifying them of this problem and requesting the final repair attempt.

 

Visit # 5. Dealer says everything is operating perfectly. The service manager told me that I drive funny, and my driving habits are causing these funny shifts. Ya Right. On our test drive, the service manager drove the car like he was driving Miss Daisy. It was like he was driving extremely overly cautious in a manner so the trans wouldn't act up. Whenever I got the trans to act up he would stare out the window looking at the sky. Around 9,600 miles. I don't care what ANYONE says, something is still fishy with these transmissions. Big time!!!!! I bet there will be another PCM software update or another modified part in the near future for these transmissions.

 

My theory is that there is some major or fundamental design flaw with these transmissions that cannot be fixed and they know it, so Ford keeps modifying the valve body and rolling out new software updates trying to over compensate for the real problem at hand.

Even after all the repairs, my car is not the same. This car is not the same car that I bought. It drives and shifts like garbage after all of these transmission repairs. A friend of mine has a very late production (one of the last of the 2010 build) Mercury Milan with very low miles on it who loves his car a lot, but is now complaining about shift flares. He says the rpm's race way too high and the car barely moves.

 

By the way, some law firm is collecting information for a possible class action lawsuit on these transmissions.Check It out!

http://www.girardgibbs.com/FordFusion.asp

 

Good Luck Everyone and get yourself a good lawyer. It looks like Ford's advertising about their quality that Honda can't touch is a bunch of BS. I wanted to buy American and give Detroit another chance, but after this nightmare 6F35 transmission, forget it. I will eventually be returning to an import.

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Hello Everyone:

 

I own a 2010 Fusion SEL V6 FWD. My 6F35 6 speed automatic transmission is suffering from chronic shifting problems.

 

 

Sorry to hear about your transmission problems. Just wondering what your build date was? Obviously within the 10B15 date range.

 

With your continuing issues, it seems like they should have replaced the entire transmission at some point. Perhaps they are just following Ford's instructions? And I certainly agree with you that the test drive needs to be "real world" driving conditions. They need to pull out into traffic and quickly accelerate cuz that happens all the time.

 

It may be too late now with an attorney involved but did you try another dealer? You may have felt it was better to go to the dealer who knew the history.

 

Also, wondering if you had any dealing with Ford's customer service to help get this resolved?

 

I also noticed something weird. My last visit to the dealer where they reprogrammed my PCM because of the cold shift flare doesn't seem to show up in my OASIS report for my car. Can anyone who works for Ford comment on that? Is that normal? I have a summary paperwork from the dealer on the visit but it doesn't show on my OASIS report. The dealer told me they opened a "hotline" case with Ford engineering. Before I start the "conspiracy theory" about Ford trying to hide or keep transmission issues undocumented maybe someone who works in service can comment about this.

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Soccerguy- It kind of sounds like you're the victim of a bad rebuild. You said the dealer rebuilt this themselves? Dealers don't usually do this. Generally they ship out your core to a rebuilder and take another one back that has been done. You don't know the skill of the person who did this repair. I would let your lawyer take care of this and turn to Ford for the solution.

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Sorry to hear about your transmission problems. Just wondering what your build date was? Obviously within the 10B15 date range.

 

With your continuing issues, it seems like they should have replaced the entire transmission at some point. Perhaps they are just following Ford's instructions? And I certainly agree with you that the test drive needs to be "real world" driving conditions. They need to pull out into traffic and quickly accelerate cuz that happens all the time.

 

It may be too late now with an attorney involved but did you try another dealer? You may have felt it was better to go to the dealer who knew the history.

 

Also, wondering if you had any dealing with Ford's customer service to help get this resolved?

 

I also noticed something weird. My last visit to the dealer where they reprogrammed my PCM because of the cold shift flare doesn't seem to show up in my OASIS report for my car. Can anyone who works for Ford comment on that? Is that normal? I have a summary paperwork from the dealer on the visit but it doesn't show on my OASIS report. The dealer told me they opened a "hotline" case with Ford engineering. Before I start the "conspiracy theory" about Ford trying to hide or keep transmission issues undocumented maybe someone who works in service can comment about this.

 

Hi Con Fusion:

 

My build date was June 2009. I was told by a Ford dealer and have heard others say that Ford will only provide a new transmission if 75% or more of it is bad. What piss poor service.

 

Ford's customer service is about as useful as an ice cream stand in the North Pole. All I hear from my regional rep, Ford customer service division, and the dealers is a bunch of lies and bs. I am sick of them insulting my intelligence, and now I am suing Ford under the lemon law.

 

On my test drive they told me that everything was perfect. Then they told me that the car was shifting strange because I drive funny. They are tripping over their lies already. I have been to 3 different dealers, they all seem to be tools of the system.

 

I find Ford's recording keeping fishy too. 1. Always save ALL work orders and keep them in a safe place. 2. I noticed that on all of my work orders there are strange random letter and numerical codes peppered in all over the place. I am wondering if the dealers and Ford are secretly communicating in code. 3. I know they are fixing problems and falsely reporting them on record. Perfect example. My airbag malfunction indicator lamp came on, and I also noticed that the Passenger seat airbag off light would never ever come on when I placed a bag of heavy groceries on top of it or placed my hand on the seat and shifted my body weight on to it. I reported this at the dealer, got one explanation from someone, a different explanation later on, and my invoice stated that no problem was found. However, when I got the car back everything was magically fixed. No more airbag malfunction indicator lamp, and whenever I place an object on the front passenger seat the passenger airbag off light comes on right away. Ford is doing something really fishy here folks.

 

Good Luck You'll need It!!!!!

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Soccerguy- It kind of sounds like you're the victim of a bad rebuild. You said the dealer rebuilt this themselves? Dealers don't usually do this. Generally they ship out your core to a rebuilder and take another one back that has been done. You don't know the skill of the person who did this repair. I would let your lawyer take care of this and turn to Ford for the solution.

 

 

Hi Jazztrumpet:

 

The transmission does feel awfully nervous and still struggles a lot. So, maybe I am the victim of a bad rebuild? And yes, the transmission was rebuilt right at the dealership. However, I have read TONS of other posts from a lot of other people who have gone through EVERYTHING that I have and their transmission is still bad. I had a friend of mine who is an automotive engineer take my car for a long drive and he said that something is really wrong with this transmission.

 

Anyhow, this is my theory. I believe that some sort of major and/or fundamental design flaw exsists with the 6F35 transmission. I believe that it is a flaw of some sort that cannot be corrected, and Ford dam well knows it to. Therefore, they are trying to overcompensate and hide the real problem at hand by rolling out all these new PCM software calibrations and modified valve bodies. I cannot wait to see what will be next. I believe these transmissions will ultimately fail prematurely. This transmission feels like it was designed by a bunch of amateurs, and it's performance only worsens after every repair or modification.

 

In all due respect Jazztrumpet, at this point in the game my car has now met the legal requirements for being a lemon in the state of which I live. So, I don't really care about the perfect solution anymore.

 

Good Luck AND remember always save all work orders and keep them in a safe place. Get yourself a folder and toss all of your paperwork in there.

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Hi Con Fusion:

 

My build date was June 2009. I was told by a Ford dealer and have heard others say that Ford will only provide a new transmission if 75% or more of it is bad. What piss poor service.

 

Ford's customer service is about as useful as an ice cream stand in the North Pole. All I hear from my regional rep, Ford customer service division, and the dealers is a bunch of lies and bs. I am sick of them insulting my intelligence, and now I am suing Ford under the lemon law.

 

On my test drive they told me that everything was perfect. Then they told me that the car was shifting strange because I drive funny. They are tripping over their lies already. I have been to 3 different dealers, they all seem to be tools of the system.

 

I find Ford's recording keeping fishy too. 1. Always save ALL work orders and keep them in a safe place. 2. I noticed that on all of my work orders there are strange random letter and numerical codes peppered in all over the place. I am wondering if the dealers and Ford are secretly communicating in code. 3. I know they are fixing problems and falsely reporting them on record. Perfect example. My airbag malfunction indicator lamp came on, and I also noticed that the Passenger seat airbag off light would never ever come on when I placed a bag of heavy groceries on top of it or placed my hand on the seat and shifted my body weight on to it. I reported this at the dealer, got one explanation from someone, a different explanation later on, and my invoice stated that no problem was found. However, when I got the car back everything was magically fixed. No more airbag malfunction indicator lamp, and whenever I place an object on the front passenger seat the passenger airbag off light comes on right away. Ford is doing something really fishy here folks.

 

Good Luck You'll need It!!!!!

 

Hey Soccerguy,

 

Sorry to hear you've had such a bad experience. Sounds like you've been through it all. As you know, yours isn't the only story like this in regards to the transmission issues which doesn't exactly instill the rest of us with confidence.

 

Good luck with your lemon lawsuit. Let us know how you make out.

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Hey Soccerguy,

 

Sorry to hear you've had such a bad experience. Sounds like you've been through it all. As you know, yours isn't the only story like this in regards to the transmission issues which doesn't exactly instill the rest of us with confidence.

 

Good luck with your lemon lawsuit. Let us know how you make out.

 

Hi Con Fusion:

 

Sure, no problem. I am very interested myself as to how this lemon law case will turn out. We shall see.

 

One more thing I forgot.

 

Sometimes I will be in a driveway, shift the car into R and back out of the driveway on to the street, shift the car into D, and as soon as I push the gas pedal I will immediately experience a harsh shift. It happens randomly and I have heard others talking about the same exact problem. This isn't normal.

 

I am wondering what I will see in the future when I look at the transmission quality rating on the 2010 Fusion in the used car Consumer Reports magazine?

 

My transmission now feels very squirrely, unpredictable, and feels like it is operating in "band aid" mode!

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Hey guys,

 

Something I noticed this morning...

 

On my way to work I was going through an area with a 30MPH speed limit and yes I was going 30.... Just for fun, I moved my gear shift to select-shift mode since it shows what gear I'm in.

 

To my suprise, at 30MPH, I was in 5th gear. RPMs were about 1300. I was kind of suprised. It seemed to be driving ok just keeping a steady speed.

 

Does this seem normal to you guys?

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