gt5001 Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 Ford has an SVT Fusion. It either doesn't know or doesn't care to recognize the fact It's the MazdaSpeed 6: 2.3-liter engine from the Fusion (it even has FoMoCo) on the dipstick 6-speed manual turbo - 274 hp - 280 ft/lbs torque 4-wheel drive stability control side & side curtain airbags HID adjustable headlights MSRP on this car is about $28K, but they are selling for much less. Which, in Ford's defense, may be the reason there won't be an SVT Fusion. I just purchased an MS6. It is one heck of a vehicle. This thing pulls like a freight train and is so much more sophisticated (sadly) than anything I see in Ford's lineup or in the pipeline. To make matters worse, Mazda 6s (but not the MazdaSpeed 6) are built on the same assembly line as the Mustang. Given a choice, I certainly would buy the Ford if the above were available in the Fusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted July 6, 2006 Share Posted July 6, 2006 I hope they bump the 3.5L out to 295 or 300 hp for an SVT Fusion. I'de love to get a look at MS6. Unfortunatly the only Mazda dealer around here that sells Mazdaspeed stuff is over an hour away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScortLX Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I agree that the MS6 is a great car. I've always been impressed with it since it came out and I know that it is essentially a SVT Fusion. There is one thing I would hope Ford would change, and thats the motor. I'm glad it pulls like a train but personally I don't want a turbo four in the performance Fusion. But people like different things. I'll take the stability control, six speed and airbags and I'll lose the four wheel drive if I have to in order for it to be built and I really don't care about the HID headlights. All in all, If they have to put all the same things in the Fusion to get a performance one built then I'll still buy one, but If I could choose I would take one with the 3.5 V6 NA with some tuning and the rest of the package. Just my .02 Bottom line...I just want it built so I can have a car that is as fun to drive as our old '95 Contour SE. Man I miss that car! Nate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swoop1156 Posted July 7, 2006 Share Posted July 7, 2006 I considered the Mazdaspeed6, but I got a better deal on the Fusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt5001 Posted July 7, 2006 Author Share Posted July 7, 2006 I agree that the MS6 is a great car. I've always been impressed with it since it came out and I know that it is essentially a SVT Fusion. There is one thing I would hope Ford would change, and thats the motor. I'm glad it pulls like a train but personally I don't want a turbo four in the performance Fusion. But people like different things. I'll take the stability control, six speed and airbags and I'll lose the four wheel drive if I have to in order for it to be built and I really don't care about the HID headlights. All in all, If they have to put all the same things in the Fusion to get a performance one built then I'll still buy one, but If I could choose I would take one with the 3.5 V6 NA with some tuning and the rest of the package. Just my .02 Bottom line...I just want it built so I can have a car that is as fun to drive as our old '95 Contour SE. Man I miss that car! Nate I, too, think the SVT Fusion should be different. I think the new 3.5 V6 would be a better option & some of the frills on the MS6 aren't of much interest to me, either, and that would hold down costs. My point, not well stated, was while Ford talks "Bold Moves," Mazda, SRT, even GM brings performance cars to the market and sells them while Ford's performance division produces more hot air than sheet metal. SVT has one vehicle - the GT500 - and Ford's dealers have turned it into a PR nightmare (like the Ford GT) due to ADMs, waiting lists, limited production, etc. BTW, I've owned three SVT products. One was an SVT Contour, and like your '95 Contour, it was a blast. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScortLX Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I hear ya GT5001, I think Ford is stuck in the whole "Lets ask permission first" mentality and they just never produce any cars. They need to be on the "ask for forgiveness later" program because I bet if they thought that way, we would have some great performance options from Ford that people would be buying and they wouldn't have to ask for forgiveness. My other car right now is a 2002 Mustang GT which I intend on keeping and I want another vehicle to fill the stable during the week that I can enjoy and take up the mountains every once in a while that is a little better on MPG. Plus I just love the possibility of a mentality switch from Ford to build a sedan that could actually be a drivers car again. Lets just hope! :bandance: Nate 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earthspirit60 Posted August 2, 2006 Share Posted August 2, 2006 The Mazda Speed 6 is a great car, but it has a turbo (lag, complexity, fragility from heat, and worst of all...cost) Any Fusion SVT should be normally aspirated. A tourqey, high-reving 3.5L V-6 or even the YAMAHA V-8 from the Volvo/Lincoln would be the ticket, along with a manual transmission option. I had a Subaru Legacy GT...turbo died! That is my bias. I replaced it with a Mustang GT (It actually gets better mileage than the Turbo and our Fusion SEL!?!?) My wife has the Fusion SEL Ahhh, the best of both worlds! To top that off, we have 2 Mazda dealers in Rhode Island: Flood Mazda (Very reputable, good pricing, no Mazdaspeed products) and Tasca Mazda (Huge, very aggressive, pricey, not-so-reputable dealer, sells Mazdaspeed) Had the Mazdaspped been availble from Flood...maybe a different outcome? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2b2 Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Yeah, the 3.5 seems better for a Fusion ST or GT (they're not gonna use "SVT", right?) but I'd like to see a Milan-XR with a turbo 2.3 - actually thinking more the Mazdaspeed3 variety, 240ish hp & fwd (afaik), but with an autostick... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted August 3, 2006 Share Posted August 3, 2006 Hopefully the 2 Door version will be used to make the ST/GT version. Or if they're real adventurous (yeah right) they'll do both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt5001 Posted August 24, 2006 Author Share Posted August 24, 2006 Yeah, I wouldn't duplicate the MazdaSpeed 6 for an SVT Fusion. My point was Mazda built this car, with a lot of things potential customers of an SVT Fusion would probably like to see. Mazda built it. Ford talks, waits, talks, waits, cancels project. Something like the MS6 at least would be a start. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 Yeah, I wouldn't duplicate the MazdaSpeed 6 for an SVT Fusion. My point was Mazda built this car, with a lot of things potential customers of an SVT Fusion would probably like to see. Mazda built it. Ford talks, waits, talks, waits, cancels project. Something like the MS6 at least would be a start. I what kind of problems using the Mazda6 drivetrain in the Fusion would pose? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akirby Posted August 25, 2006 Share Posted August 25, 2006 I what kind of problems using the Mazda6 drivetrain in the Fusion would pose? Probably none from a technical standpoint, but I don't think Ford wants to use a turbo 4 when turbo 6 is available. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted August 26, 2006 Share Posted August 26, 2006 Probably none from a technical standpoint, but I don't think Ford wants to use a turbo 4 when turbo 6 is available. I suppose you are right. I was thinking that a turbo-four would be a good idea, but many Americans are not ready for a small hi-po engine yet. I wouldn't be interested in turbo 4 myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gt5001 Posted October 27, 2006 Author Share Posted October 27, 2006 And now there is a MazdaSpeed3, which is getting rave reviews. Agree, those turbo 4s probably wouldn't work with the Fusion automatics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted October 28, 2006 Share Posted October 28, 2006 I'd regulate the Mazda3's stuff to the Focus, if possible. A Fusion SVT 3.5L AWD would be the absolute bomb. It would seriously put Ford in a totally unique position amongst the Big Three as well as other major makes across the world. The Fusion looks awesome as it is - an SVT model would only enhance it that much more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalocfusion Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 I'd regulate the Mazda3's stuff to the Focus, if possible. A Fusion SVT 3.5L AWD would be the absolute bomb. It would seriously put Ford in a totally unique position amongst the Big Three as well as other major makes across the world. The Fusion looks awesome as it is - an SVT model would only enhance it that much more. That would be nice but not the same people buy Mazda3's and Foci. Same as 6's and Fusion's. It'd be nice to have Mazdaspeed 6 stuff in the Fusion but a 3.5 or the upcoming 3.7 in the Fusion is much more what Ford customers wouldl like i think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted November 8, 2006 Share Posted November 8, 2006 That would be nice but not the same people buy Mazda3's and Foci. Same as 6's and Fusion's. It'd be nice to have Mazdaspeed 6 stuff in the Fusion but a 3.5 or the upcoming 3.7 in the Fusion is much more what Ford customers wouldl like i think. Yes, I think you are right. A 3.5L Fusion would be better tailored than a Fusion with Mazda6 stuff. Now, if Ford brought over the European Focus + added some Mazda3 stuff - 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 A turbo 3.7 would be a very nice SVT model. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted November 10, 2006 Share Posted November 10, 2006 A turbo 3.7 would be a very nice SVT model. I agree too, however, I also think that it is a good idea to have a Lincoln only (3.7L) engine. I drove a 3.0L Fusion recently and think it has enough power, but I won't object to a 3.5L SVT :hyper: By the way, did any see that Honda is bringing Mugen to the U.S.? ARTICLE LINK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalocfusion Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I'll take one of those! Or one of the new Focus RS focus rs link 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mk706_06mazdaspeed6 Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 SVT fusion would be great, but sadly ford broke up the SVT after the deployment of the GT500. http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Colum...rticleId=109512 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted December 16, 2006 Share Posted December 16, 2006 I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket with regard to that article. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drake Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Back From the Dead: Officials Say Ford SVT Lives On http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=115772 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FusionMann Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 Ford had better Get With The Program When it comes to a Performance FUSION!!!! Dodge has just put the New Avenger in the Showrooms. 3.5L 24V V6 with a Six Speed AutoStick , 18" Chrome Wheels, Even AWD...All for under 30 Grand.....I may have to Consider a DCX product if Ford Doesn't have a Performance ersion of the Fusion out by August. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertlane Posted March 12, 2007 Share Posted March 12, 2007 That Avenger is quite a little ride, at least on paper. It will be interesting to see some reviews. As far as the Fusion, sales seem to be pretty stable, but I do agree that an SVT model would make a great addition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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