and pics of hid install on 2011 fusion

[bigreggie221]

have anyone tookin pics of the process to install hids in a 2011 fusion ? thanks

[norbs8]

The hardest part is changing the bulbs because of what you have to remove to gain access. That being said, putting a HID bulb in is no different then replacing a burnt out halogen. Then all you need to do is mount the two ballasts using the double stick tape, or mount brackets wherever you want (someplace not hot, and allowing the cables to reach the bulbs.) Then simply plug your plug that connected into the stock bulb in the each of the ballasts, and connect the cable from theballasts into each of the lights. Its a cakewalk and really requires no tuts with pictures.

 

Pick up a set of DDM of VVME HIDs for around 50$ total (no relay required) and the install should take even the most novice person under a hour.

I would recommended DDM over VVME. They are both from china and lower end but as a whole DDM seems to have a petter product and customer service should they fail.

 

http://www.ddmtuning.com/Products/Apexcone-Raptor-HID-Kit

H11 for lowbeams and/or fogs

55W is far better then 35w and worth the extra 10bucks.

I find 10k to be the perfect light, just blue enough to look great and not get you pulled over.

Don't use DDM or VVME kits for highbeams simply because they take a few secounds to warm up and flipping them on and off tend to be hard on ballasts.

 

 

Hope it helps.

[norbs8]

Also, if you need a step by step guide how to get to your bulbs just check your owners manual.

[RohitKumar]

The hardest part is changing the bulbs because of what you have to remove to gain access. That being said, putting a HID bulb in is no different then replacing a burnt out halogen. Then all you need to do is mount the two ballasts using the double stick tape, or mount brackets wherever you want (someplace not hot, and allowing the cables to reach the bulbs.) Then simply plug your plug that connected into the stock bulb in the each of the ballasts, and connect the cable from theballasts into each of the lights. Its a cakewalk and really requires no tuts with pictures.

 

Pick up a set of DDM of VVME HIDs for around 50$ total (no relay required) and the install should take even the most novice person under a hour.

I would recommended DDM over VVME. They are both from china and lower end but as a whole DDM seems to have a petter product and customer service should they fail.

 

http://www.ddmtuning...-Raptor-HID-Kit

H11 for lowbeams and/or fogs

55W is far better then 35w and worth the extra 10bucks.

I find 10k to be the perfect light, just blue enough to look great and not get you pulled over.

Don't use DDM or VVME kits for highbeams simply because they take a few secounds to warm up and flipping them on and off tend to be hard on ballasts.

 

 

Hope it helps.

 

hey dude nice info, i just bought vvme 55w 10K no relay! gonna install them soon! i have the blue fusion sport so I'm hoping the blue light will look nice with the exterior! A lot of ppl r telling me that i won't be able to see well with those lights, some say it won't be bright enough, is that true?

[norbs8]

They are full of it. I have 10k 55w lows from DDM and I used to rock PIAA Xtreme White Pulse (some of the brightest bulbs on the market if not the brightest.) They also had a 60$ price tag.Going from the highest end halogen to the HID is night and day. Trust me you will have no problem seeing anything haha.

[Oldguy16]

They are full of it. I have 10k 55w lows from DDM and I used to rock PIAA Xtreme White Pulse (some of the brightest bulbs on the market if not the brightest.) They also had a 60$ price tag.Going from the highest end halogen to the HID is night and day. Trust me you will have no problem seeing anything haha.

Definitely agreed, buddy of mine used those top end PIAA's, which were ok for halogens but it really was night and day switching from them to HID's, HID's are just far superior, double the brightness of the best PIAA's.

Edited June 23, 2012 by Oldguy16

[bigreggie221]

ok thanks no another question do i have to disaple the drls to run hids ?

[norbs8]

I don't know if the hids have any issues with the drls on these cars dont have that option.

[bigreggie221]

o ok i know i tried hooking up sum hids i had in my pontiac g6 with that a the fusion have the same bulb type but when i did sometimes they both would come on then other times only one would come in and i didnt understand why

[norbs8]

Prob just bad parts, or you needed a relay on ur g6 who knows.

[Oldguy16]

ok thanks no another question do i have to disaple the drls to run hids ?

Do you have DRL enabled now? If so you do need to have them disabled because DRL pulse a signal to the headlight and at a slightly lower wattage. HID's need a constant supply of power to function. I believe you can put 4000uf capacitors in the circuit and that should work. But its alot easier to just have the DRL disabled.

[bbf2530]

Hi gang. :D There is some very well-intentioned but accidentally incorrect information making its way around this thread concerning HID's, Kelvin temperatures etc.. My recommendation/opinion? For trusted, professionally sourced automotive lighting information, it would be a good idea to check out this link - http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html

 

The Daniel Stern site is a recognized expert source for automotive lighting information.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

[bigreggie221]

Do you have DRL enabled now? If so you do need to have them disabled because DRL pulse a signal to the headlight and at a slightly lower wattage. HID's need a constant supply of power to function. I believe you can put 4000uf capacitors in the circuit and that should work. But its alot easier to just have the DRL disabled.

yea thats another problem i dont know how to disable them do you know or anybody else ?

[norbs8]

Hi gang. :D There is some very well-intentioned but accidentally incorrect information making its way around this thread concerning HID's, Kelvin temperatures etc.. My recommendation/opinion? For trusted, professionally sourced automotive lighting information, it would be a good idea to check out this link - http://www.danielste...onversions.html

 

The Daniel Stern site is a recognized expert source for automotive lighting information.

 

Hope it helps.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

 

From what I just read it sounds like he is very angry with HID companies and if I had to guess I'd say he was in the halogen business, but it really has zero bearing on anything. The simple fact is they are brighter, and have a much whiter light that is extremely helpful, and a full kit costs less then 1 set of top end halogens that will last you about a year if your lucky. They are just a better, cheaper, light source for cars... anyone that wants to dispute that, install a set and look.

 

yea thats another problem i dont know how to disable them do you know or anybody else ?

You should be okay if you just use a relay kit since you get your power directly from the battery all the stock wiring does at that point is just send the signal to turn them on and off.

[bigreggie221]

From what I just read it sounds like he is very angry with HID companies and if I had to guess I'd say he was in the halogen business, but it really has zero bearing on anything. The simple fact is they are brighter, and have a much whiter light that is extremely helpful, and a full kit costs less then 1 set of top end halogens that will last you about a year if your lucky. They are just a better, cheaper, light source for cars... anyone that wants to dispute that, install a set and look.

 

 

You should be okay if you just use a relay kit since you get your power directly from the battery all the stock wiring does at that point is just send the signal to turn them on and off.

ok thats it hasnt done it lately but im thinking of going with a way better brand then what i have but thank you guys for all your help

[bbf2530]

From what I just read it sounds like he is very angry with HID companies and if I had to guess I'd say he was in the halogen business, but it really has zero bearing on anything. The simple fact is they are brighter, and have a much whiter light that is extremely helpful, and a full kit costs less then 1 set of top end halogens that will last you about a year if your lucky. They are just a better, cheaper, light source for cars... anyone that wants to dispute that, install a set and look.

 

 

You should be okay if you just use a relay kit since you get your power directly from the battery all the stock wiring does at that point is just send the signal to turn them on and off.

 

Hi norbs. :D No, it has a 100% bearing on the entire discussion.

 

There are very good reasons why all aftermarket HID kits are illegal for on-road use in the US, Canada and Europe. No exceptions. And some of the information given in this thread concerning "10000K" kits etc is downright dangerous for the vehicle owner installing them and those on the road with them. For example - Too many people here are confusing K ratings with the amount of usable illumination a bulb produces, The K rating only has to do with the color temperature (simply put, the color of the light). The human eye does not process certain colors as well as others and a bluish light is one of those "not processed well' colors. In other words a "10000K" HID bulb puts out less visible/usable light (to the human eye) than a 5000K HID bulb.

 

A 1000K bulb, by definition, does not put out a "whiter light". It puts out a bluer light. You want whiter light? Then use a 5000K bulb. Some people may think a 1000K bulb "looks cool", but they result in less visible/usable light for the driver of the car and more glare for oncoming drivers. Ignoring the facts does not change them. That being said, if anyone wishes to install them anyway, no amount of valid information will change their minds. However, the information is still 100% correct and valid. And it is not one mans information. All one need do is simply take the time to click on the DOT, NHTSA and other links included in the website for even more verification.

 

To verify any of this by other means, all one need do is go to the offical Hella, Sylvania-Osram and other well known automotive lighting manufaturer websites to see that even they disavow themselves of all aftermarket HID kits and tell their customers to stay away from them.

 

Therefore, innuendo, claims of a conspiracy theory and guessing is not always the answer when the facts say other than what we believe. All anyone need do is take the time to put in the research to find what is correct.

 

And by the way, concerning "...anyone that wants to dispute that, install a set and look". I have factory HID's on my MKZ and agree 100% that factory HID's in properly designed factory HID headlamp units are superior to halogen bulbs. But that is not the situation we are discussing with aftermarket HID kits. Aftermarket HID kits placed into a factory headlamp unit designed for halogen bulbs are not safe. They are illegal due to the dangers they represent to the vehicle downer and drivers in oncoming traffic. And aynyone who truly believes that you can get a quality HID kit for "...less then 1 set of top end halogens..." is not very familiar with the old saying that "You get what you pay for". So let's at least keep the conversation grounded in some sort of reality and leave out the rhetoric. As the saying goes in the old Clint Eastwood movie, "Don't piss down my back and tell me its raining".

 

Again, anyone who wants to install them anyway is free to do so, but they should not dispute proven fact to justify the decision. They should just say they don't care and do what they want.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

Edited June 25, 2012 by bbf2530

[norbs8]

I have never said anything on that page was incorrect for starters, its just clear he has an agenda of selling halogen bulbs.

Also, never did I say 10k was brighter then 5k, I said 10k was a good look and is brighter then halogen bulbs.

10k gives you the "hid" look and makes your car, in my opinion, look much more high rent then a 5k bulb and I know many who agree. It gives it that high end import headlight look everyone wants.

 

And as for being legal... nothing cool is legal, just saying. Will you get a ticket using the bulbs for a lifetime? 99.9% chance you will not.

[FusionDiffusion]

BBF is our forum moderator, not a bulb salesman silly!

 

But I will echo what he said about all aftermarket HIDs being illegal in US. Only legal way to have HIDs is if your car came with them from the factory, or if you do a complete headlight swap using a factory HID headlight with the factory bulb (in cases where a higher trimmed model of your same vehicle has factory HIDs). Fusions haven't ever come with factory HIDs, so there's no way you can do them legally.

 

Also I'm confused why you associate 10000K bulbs with high-end imports. Only 4300K bulbs are DOT approved for sale in the US (because they give the most usable light output of all the other color temperatures), so a high-end import would have 4300K bulbs, not the dimmer 10000K bulbs. So it would be more correct to say 10000K bulbs give your car the illegal aftermarket look than anything else.

 

Disclaimer: I am not a bulb salesman nor affiliated with any kind of bulb/lighting company.

[bbf2530]

I have never said anything on that page was incorrect for starters, its just clear he has an agenda of selling halogen bulbs.

Also, never did I say 10k was brighter then 5k, I said 10k was a good look and is brighter then halogen bulbs.

10k gives you the "hid" look and makes your car, in my opinion, look much more high rent then a 5k bulb and I know many who agree. It gives it that high end import headlight look everyone wants.

 

And as for being legal... nothing cool is legal, just saying. Will you get a ticket using the bulbs for a lifetime? 99.9% chance you will not.

 

EDIT - Was composing the reply below at the same time that FD posted above, so some of my information is now redundant. And thanks FD!

 

Hi norbs. :D Awww, come on now, let's not play word games norbs. As far as "I have never said anything on that page was incorrect for starters", where did I say that? By stating "he has an agenda" you infer the information is incorrect. So again, let's skip the rhetoric and have an intelligent discussion which provides valid information for those interested. If you want to express an opinion, that is fine. However, don't make blanket statements such as "The simple fact is they are brighter, and have a much whiter light that is extremely helpful, and a full kit costs less then 1 set of top end halogens that will last you about a year if your lucky. They are just a better, cheaper, light source for cars... anyone that wants to dispute that, install a set and look." Those are not facts. In fact (no pun intended), it is totally incorrect, especially when referring to 10000K bulbs, as was done in this thread.

 

You quoted me and said the information provided had "...zero bearing on anything...". Well, that statement was incorrect also. There is no conspiracy here. If "he" wanted to sell illegal and dangerous aftermarket HID bulb kits, "he" could. Hell, you or I could. As mentioned earlier, no aftermarket HID kit is sanctioned by the manufacturer names used on them (i.e Hella, Osram-Sylvania, Phillips etc.). They all tell people, on their websites, to stay away from them, because they either hack their products or are cheap knock-offs illegally using their names. This is because in the vast majority of cases, you are buying cheap, Chinese knockoffs. And again there are very good reasons why all aftermarket HID kits are illegal for on-road use in the US, Canada and Europe. And the reason is not becaue they are "cool" it is because they are a safety hazard.

 

 

Additionally, as far as the "high rent" factor...Factory HID's, both domestic and import, use bulbs in the 4300 to 5000K range. No factory HID headlight system uses a 10000K bulb, or even anything close to that. Bulbs in the 10000K range give less light usable to the human eye for the driver and cause more glare to oncoming drivers. Headlight illumination is not "cool" to anyone with any automotive knowledge. They are safety items. And using a 10000K bulb is dangerous to both the driver of the offending vehicle and oncoming drivers, due to its lower illumination and higher glare factors. Nobody is driving down the road thinking "wow, look at those cool blue headlights that are blinding me". They are thinking "what an inconsiderate a--hole...".

 

As far as "...nothing cool is legal, just saying...", I will leave that criteria for choosing bulbs (or any vehicle modification) for others to make a value judgement.

 

Put cheap aftermarket HID knock-offs on your car if you wish and tell people you love them. That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. But those telling FFF members that 10000K HID bulbs are "...brighter and whiter... "? That is incorrect. A bright bulb is not necessarily white (K value) and a white bulb can be worthless for night illumination (lumen rating). They are two differnt animals. It is not difficult to do the research to find out. Look, I know you don't mean any harm, but don't tell those who have done the research on automotive lighting that opinions are facts and vice-a-versa. No hard feelings, but let's move on now. Remember, you quoted me first, stated that the information provided had "zero bearing on anything" and inferred the information provided was tainted (which infers being incorrect). I did not quote you first, I merely answered your blanket "statements".

 

Again, no hard feelings and no harm done, so let's move on now.

 

Good luck. :beerchug:

Edited June 25, 2012 by bbf2530

[norbs8]

People that have projectors that install aftermarket HID kits, brands from china or us made, are not the a-holes. regardless of the light source behind the projector, the projector only allows the light to go to a cretin level that is not changed from OEM by installing a HID kit. The a-holes are the people who put HIDs in a slandered reflector headlamp housing allowing the light pattern to drastically change and blind other drivers. I have NEVER been flashed and I mainly drive at night.. and people will let you know if your beaming them. My lights are pointed at the ground with a nice sharp cutoff from the projectors, the only thing blinded by my lights are the rodents running across the street.

 

Not only have I done research but I have had HIDs on 3 cars now, and I have finally settled on 10k. All the number charts and youtube videos mean nothing to me, all I care about is what works and looks best to me.

The last thing I'm going to say is that ANY light source can be dangerous and illegal when used incorrectly.

[bbf2530]

People that have projectors that install aftermarket HID kits, brands from china or us made, are not the a-holes. regardless of the light source behind the projector, the projector only allows the light to go to a cretin level that is not changed from OEM by installing a HID kit. The a-holes are the people who put HIDs in a slandered reflector headlamp housing allowing the light pattern to drastically change and blind other drivers. I have NEVER been flashed and I mainly drive at night.. and people will let you know if your beaming them. My lights are pointed at the ground with a nice sharp cutoff from the projectors, the only thing blinded by my lights are the rodents running across the street.

 

Not only have I done research but I have had HIDs on 3 cars now, and I have finally settled on 10k. All the number charts and youtube videos mean nothing to me, all I care about is what works and looks best to me.

The last thing I'm going to say is that ANY light source can be dangerous and illegal when used incorrectly.

 

Hi norbs. :D Okay, so in your opinion, all professionally sourced, valid information means nothing. So that is why we ask that those who feel valid, professionally source information is worthless realize they are then merely stating opinion, not fact. The human eye is the human eye, so unless your eyes are structured differently than every other eye on the planet, a 10000K HID bulb allows you to see less at night than 4300-5000K HID bulbs.

 

And Factory HID projectors headlamp units are designed and structured differently than factory halogen projectors, due to the differences in light emittance. Simply put, HID and halogen bulbs emit light differently so both projector lenses and reflector housings must be designed differently for HID bulbs than they are for halogen bulbs..

 

So what this all comes down to is you think 10000K bulbs look "cooler" than the lower K color temperatures that every import and domestic auto manufacturer uses as factory HID equipement (i.e 4300-5000K). You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. We are all entitled to our opinions, just as long as we don't express them as fact or make blanket statements that the correct, professionally sourced facts that others provide have "...zero bearing on anything...".

 

Again, no hard feelings and good luck. :beerchug:

Edited June 25, 2012 by bbf2530

[drolds1]

the projector only allows the light to go to a cretin level

 

Freudian slip?

[BlkDrivr]

ok thanks no another question do i have to disaple the drls to run hids ?

 

No. I recently had a shop that specializes in HID installation and retrofits do my headlights and fog lights with 6000K bulbs. As for the DRL's they were flickering because of the low voltage. Had to get DRL capacitors installed and now everything works fine. I have DRL and diamond white headlights and fogs. BTW, be sure to do a proper aiming adjustment because it makes them even more effective and not blinding to on-coming drivers.

[nmyers830]

 

 

Hi norbs. :D Okay, so in your opinion, all professionally sourced, valid information means nothing. So that is why we ask that those who feel valid, professionally source information is worthless realize they are then merely stating opinion, not fact. The human eye is the human eye, so unless your eyes are structured differently than every other eye on the planet, a 10000K HID bulb allows you to see less at night than 4300-5000K HID bulbs.

 

And Factory HID projectors headlamp units are designed and structured differently than factory halogen projectors, due to the differences in light emittance. Simply put, HID and halogen bulbs emit light differently so both projector lenses and reflector housings must be designed differently for HID bulbs than they are for halogen bulbs..

 

So what this all comes down to is you think 10000K bulbs look "cooler" than the lower K color temperatures that every import and domestic auto manufacturer uses as factory HID equipement (i.e 4300-5000K). You are most certainly entitled to your opinion. We are all entitled to our opinions, just as long as we don't express them as fact or make blanket statements that the correct, professionally sourced facts that others provide have "...zero bearing on anything...".

 

Again, no hard feelings and good luck. :beerchug:

 

Just want to let you know that I originally came to this post looking for information on HID installation. Instead of getting quality information on the subject at hand, I found myself reading banter and debates.

 

I'm sure this wasn't your intention, just thought you may find it valuable for future reference. When I looked and saw that you are the moderator, I was surprised, frankly. You seem to be more of a megalomaniacal instigator, as opposed to a moderator.

 

Again, I'm sure this was not your intent, I merely felt that you may appreciate knowing what out looks like to someone on the outside looking in. Please understand, I'm not suggesting that you are the lone instigator, but that you are a moderator and should act as such.

[bbf2530]

Just want to let you know that I originally came to this post looking for information on HID installation. Instead of getting quality information on the subject at hand, I found myself reading banter and debates.

 

I'm sure this wasn't your intention, just thought you may find it valuable for future reference. When I looked and saw that you are the moderator, I was surprised, frankly. You seem to be more of a megalomaniacal instigator, as opposed to a moderator.

 

Again, I'm sure this was not your intent, I merely felt that you may appreciate knowing what out looks like to someone on the outside looking in. Please understand, I'm not suggesting that you are the lone instigator, but that you are a moderator and should act as such.

 

Hi nmeyers. :D Welcome to the Ford Fusion Forums with your first post.

 

If providing links to professionally recognized automotive illumination experts and then being forced to refute incorrect information posted by some individuals who state that facts are irrelevant is considered being a "megalomaniacal instigator", well, then you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

 

Perhaps once you have spent some time on the forums helping others, you may change your mind.

 

Additionally, if you had clicked on those professionally sourced links, you would have found plenty of the "quality information" you state you were searching for.

 

Welcome again and good luck. :beerchug:

Edited October 7, 2012 by bbf2530